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I'm not sure what defederating from them solves in regards to this topic. If they wanted Lemmy, Kbin, & Mastodon's data, they could always just set up another instance with a different domain name and not publicly announce what that domain name is, and we would have no idea who to defederate from. Or they could just scrape the data from the web page, no federation needed.
I don't want to see their content, which is a valid reason to defederate (or block, if that were possible at the user level) imo. But defederating because we want to stop them from getting our data is not even slightly effective, so I think it makes an unconvincing argument.
It’s not lurking I care about. I don’t want to be interacting with them at all or providing any sort of comments for them to respond to. You know… Same reason people deleted their content from reddit so it doesn’t provide future engagement to the platform through comment responses, upvotes/downvotes, and search engine results.
And I have way less issue with Reddit and chose to delete stuff to remove interactable content on their platform. And I actually do like reddit compared to Facebook, and still chose to burn bridges that way. So I think it’s no surprise why I don’t want federation with them. If they want to lurk and scrape public data that’s fine. I don’t want to be a contributor to Meta though more directly than I have to.
You know how people keep talking about the Nazi Bar? Now say, you've been keeping your bar Nazi free for a while, and then, a massive venue opens up across the street that is way more inclined to cater to Nazis because they're huge and don't dedicate the resources in dealing with them. They reach out to all the bars in the area to and want to partner up by offering venue attendees one free drink at your bar. You can take that offer, and your volume of bar patrons goes way up even on slow days, but it will ruin the vibe for your regulars and you'll have to accept that it'll be a lot harder to keep Nazis out of your bar.
What does that have to do with the security of our data? I already said I didn't want them here and would all for defederating. I'm specifically talking about defederating to stop them from collecting our data.
They get much more data if you interact with them constantly than one profile of you from some point in the past that likely changed. And they want your participation to sell you shit, and control political discourse. They use your data for those purposes, and your participation is your data.