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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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Unsustainable Goose Chases (dothemath.ucsd.edu)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I am giving you an opportunity to explain what you mean.

In the numerous discussions I've seen on this I've never seen it done. Recognizing a reality of our predicament is choosing a particular monstrous ethos in response, apparently, and no, they won't explain.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

You're correct. The poster has called me names and refused to explain what he meant.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

A lot of these younger leftists are authoritarian and anti-intellectual, and react with hostility to any disagreement with their beliefs. This was a problem on Reddit and it's a problem on Lemmy. I don't know what happened to the left, but when I was young they were the intellectual and rational ones. These days, anything other than "fully automated luxury communism" is ecofascism I suppose. Yes, they do take the view that an accurate assessment of our predicament makes you a terrible person.

Also blaming white people for this is inappropriate as there is basically no part of the world today that's on a sustainable trajectory in the scenario of energy descent.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That's an easy one. These people are not left. The movement as a whole has died. There are still individuals who are left, but organizations no longer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

The collapse community is filled with anarchists. What are you suggesting that is considered ecofascism by these authoritarians? And where is this growing anti-intellectualism on the left?