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The difference explained (social.circl.lu)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Saruman and his uruk-hai are perhaps the most leftist things there are in those stories.

What? How so?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago

Well obviously because when Pippin was sick, the orcs gave him free medicine

[+] [email protected] -50 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Because I don't like leftists, probably :)

No but seriously, I was thinking of the tankie type there, not all leftists. And wrote lazily. Sorry.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Tankies aren't leftists and Sauron isn't a tankie.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Tankies aren’t leftists

Well yeah, and nazis are technically authoritarian centrists, not the far right. These labels are bad and they should feel bad.

Sauron

Different fella. No idea what his politics are, but probably not very liberal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No, Sauron is the same character I meant to talk about. The master of Saruman. Sauron is a theocratic dictator, and Saruman is, politically speaking, a Bishop-Duke. His ideology must be the same as Sauron's because he serves Sauron. And Sauron implements theocratic dictatorship in Isengard and Mordor. Theocratic dictatorship, as you must be aware, is a far right ideology. And nazis are also far right, but I'm not sure why they're the topic of discussion.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Nazism (/ˈnɑːtsɪzəm, ˈnæt-/ NA(H)T-siz-əm; also Naziism /-si.ɪzəm/),[1] the common name in English for National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, German: [natsi̯oˈnaːlzotsi̯aˌlɪsmʊs] ⓘ), is the far-right totalitarian socio-political ideology and practices associated with Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Germany.

But really...

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