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A 1956 agreement that allowed British boats to fish in the Barents Sea has been ripped up, in the latest sign of growing tensions between Moscow and the West.

The fishing deal was signed by Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev, but Russian politicians have now claimed it was never in the national interest.

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Russia's parliamentary speaker Vyacheslav Volodin said: "The British need to study some proverbs - 'Russians harness the horse slowly, but ride it fast'."

He told politicians that "the unscrupulous British" had eaten Russian fish for 68 years - declaring: "Now let them lose weight, get smarter."

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-53308-5

As Arctic ice continues to melt, [the Arctic Northern Sea Route] is anticipated to become more accessible to ships, albeit with navigational availability remaining contingent on the ship category and seasonal considerations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

seasonal considerations

A nice way of saying with warmer climates weather becomes more intense and less predictable.

The artic north sea route also isn't what prevents them from using the port the entire year. It freezes, it will continue to freeze especially with the harsher cold snaps the globe faces.

Again you don't seem to understand climate change it is not "lol planet gets hot teehee"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago (1 children)

artic north sea

When you have a deep understanding of the issue

It freezes, it will continue to freeze

No, the likely scenario is that maximal ice coverage will (continue to) recede noticeably.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Lol okay you're right Russia is immune to climate change. St. Petersburg definitely isn't having flooding issues and Vladivostok didn't get smashed by a freak ice storm that other places across the globe have also been smashed by

None of that happened I guess climate change isn't a problem

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

smuglord

We're talking about ports icing over, which will happen less as global temperatures rise. Bringing up other climate change problems (that are far from unique to Russia) does not change that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

you know westoids get flooded way worse than russia right
their most populous area is literally 10 ft above sea level, for the entire country

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Also like, Britain is islands and Russia is the largest country in the world. Who do you think is better equipped to handle rising sea levels? I know which has a LOOOOOT more inland.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Russia faces more flooding than the UK because of thawing snow and ice you dummy.

You don't even know the country you're trying to defend. Learn geography moron

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Okay? St Petersburg has an issue with flooding. I don't know what you're trying to convince me of lmfao it's just the truth.

It is also the truth that Vladivostok got hit by a freak ice storm and their port freezes about 4 months out of the year.

Russia has always had struggles with ports. Climate change won't save them and will actively harm them like everyone else. Climate change also is not flat warming, that's what stupid people believe.

Why are you so insecure about those facts??

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

St Petersburg has an issue with flooding

and Europe has a much bigger problem with flooding. Lemme just recap the tantrum:

  1. "LMAO Russia doesn't have any warm water ports" -- you
  2. uhh you know that's going to become less true as global warming progresses?
  3. "LOL but St Petersburg is gonna get flooded from the meltwater" -- you
  4. yea but Europe is going to get the same flood but 10x worse? Dutchland? Hello?
  5. "UHH IDK WHAT you're tryna CONVINCE me of, I'm just stating facts!! I'm not owned! I'm not owned!" -- you

Climate change won't save them and will actively harm them like everyone else. Climate change also is not flat warming, that's what stupid people believe.

Yes, but some areas get hurt worse by climate change. Yes, it's not flat warming all at once. However both of these things fuck Europe over more than Russia. The AMOC gulf stream keeps Europe warm, not Russia. The entire Mediterranean is also going to be hurt particularly bad by droughts and wildfires. So that's a ton more refugees, not only from outside Europe but even from Southern Europe.

These problems simply do not exist for Russia, and its population density is far lower, and it will gain continents' more arable/habitable land as the climate warms, AND it will also receive more rainfall. It is not even close to a contest to say that Russia benefits more from climate change than any other nation on earth. If you don't think so, then post even one climate-induced problem that's unique to Russia (you can't)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

that's absolutely not what happened lmfao

go defend russia with your body sis

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I literally don't care about Russia. Also get your tenses right, none of this shit happened yet. But 50 different climate models predict it to

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Are you actually retarded?

This is what happened

  • jokes about Russian ports

  • you begin flailing your arms, shidding, crying and cumming about Russia

also simp fuckin harder.

So let's break it down. First of all Russia has been saying for a decade that they'll use climate change to their advantage, this is called PROPAGANDA. Because it just isn't true or possible.

Let's check.

Permafrost releasing Anthrax and causing infrastructure to literally fall apart? What do you do when the ground melts below you??

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/01/anthrax-outbreak-climate-change-arctic-circle-russia

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52977740

On top of that Russia is heating 2.5 times faster than the rest of the world. So much so that entire villages are lost to flooding in Siberia. Russia also will only face more and more wildfires as temperatures increase and the conifer trees will be forced to retreat north.

You mentioned them gaining more land to farm, untrue. Russia's breadbasket is the case because of the soil. The soil they'd get from thawing will actually reduce the amount of useable land. Why? Because the soil in the north is acidic as fuck and not great for crops especially the ones Russia tends to grow.

Excluding all of that. Climate change will increase the amount of fighting in the world which Russia kind of fuckin sucks at. Famines will happen, droughts will happen, heatwaves will happen, insects will swarm and flooding will increase (snow/ice melt doesn't matter about the elevation like you stupidly and oh so ignorantly suggested)

So basically you just don't know what you're talking about and trying to push old Russian propaganda that they'll use climate change to their benefit. Literally the lessening dependency on oil is leaving Russia in a bind right now and shit barely began.

Go be stupid somewhere else now.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Cause you know you're wrong as fuck now go be stupid somewhere else