▲ 229 ▼ [PCGamer] Helldivers 2 is the least I've felt pressured to spend money on a game in years, so of course I'm buying everything in the store (www.pcgamer.com) submitted 2 years ago by bozo@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world 91 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 100 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I still can't look past the rootkit anticheat for a goddamn co-op game. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kandoh@reddthat.com 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is it really that bad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. nProtect GameGuard (sometimes called GG) is an anti-cheating rootkit developed by INCA Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) I wonder if shit like that will eventually lead to more people using wine in windows, in order to sandbox rootkits. Helldivers 2 works fine with proton on Linux, at least. The absurdity of having a reason to run wine on windows through WSL is amusing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago God, it's so convoluted I'll become a monk first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago If Linux gaming continues to increase in popularity, I imagine the anti-cheat will start to crawl its way out of the WINE environment and into the native system. But I actually have no clue about how these AC work or is handled by WINE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goronmon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Most likely result of this setup becoming popular is the anti-cheat working harder to detect being sandboxed in this manner. Since it's the same thing a cheater would do to defeat the anti-cheat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe people will transition slowly over to linux permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goronmon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I still can’t look past the rootkit anticheat for a goddamn co-op game. This is probably pissing into the wind, but that isn't what "rootkit" means in this context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Unfortunately you can't get through to these people. They refuse to accept that rootkit as a security concept isn't just an admin level process that can be hijacked, but a specifically malicious bundle of programs that embeds itself in your firmware and runs in secret. The anticheat isn't running secretly, as the game informs you of its use and requirement. It also doesn't access your MoBo firmware or UEFI, merely the kernel of the OS. No one with even the bare minimum Sec+ cert would call it a rootkit, and only those with no actual knowledge take that claim seriously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one with even the bare minimum Sec+ cert would call it a rootkit That's what it's page on wikipedia says. nProtect GameGuard (sometimes called GG) is an anti-cheating rootkit developed by INCA Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Oh damn wikipedia, that's never been edited by someone with an agenda before. Go look up the dictionary/CompTIA definition of a rootkit, not what some FOSS bro edited the wiki page to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) Is it really that bad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. nProtect GameGuard (sometimes called GG) is an anti-cheating rootkit developed by INCA Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) I wonder if shit like that will eventually lead to more people using wine in windows, in order to sandbox rootkits. Helldivers 2 works fine with proton on Linux, at least. The absurdity of having a reason to run wine on windows through WSL is amusing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago God, it's so convoluted I'll become a monk first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago If Linux gaming continues to increase in popularity, I imagine the anti-cheat will start to crawl its way out of the WINE environment and into the native system. But I actually have no clue about how these AC work or is handled by WINE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goronmon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Most likely result of this setup becoming popular is the anti-cheat working harder to detect being sandboxed in this manner. Since it's the same thing a cheater would do to defeat the anti-cheat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe people will transition slowly over to linux permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. nProtect GameGuard (sometimes called GG) is an anti-cheating rootkit developed by INCA Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) I wonder if shit like that will eventually lead to more people using wine in windows, in order to sandbox rootkits. Helldivers 2 works fine with proton on Linux, at least. The absurdity of having a reason to run wine on windows through WSL is amusing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago God, it's so convoluted I'll become a monk first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago If Linux gaming continues to increase in popularity, I imagine the anti-cheat will start to crawl its way out of the WINE environment and into the native system. But I actually have no clue about how these AC work or is handled by WINE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goronmon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Most likely result of this setup becoming popular is the anti-cheat working harder to detect being sandboxed in this manner. Since it's the same thing a cheater would do to defeat the anti-cheat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe people will transition slowly over to linux permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] okamiueru@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) I wonder if shit like that will eventually lead to more people using wine in windows, in order to sandbox rootkits. Helldivers 2 works fine with proton on Linux, at least. The absurdity of having a reason to run wine on windows through WSL is amusing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago God, it's so convoluted I'll become a monk first. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago If Linux gaming continues to increase in popularity, I imagine the anti-cheat will start to crawl its way out of the WINE environment and into the native system. But I actually have no clue about how these AC work or is handled by WINE. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Goronmon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Most likely result of this setup becoming popular is the anti-cheat working harder to detect being sandboxed in this manner. Since it's the same thing a cheater would do to defeat the anti-cheat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe people will transition slowly over to linux permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 years ago God, it's so convoluted I'll become a monk first. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sudoreboot@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 years ago If Linux gaming continues to increase in popularity, I imagine the anti-cheat will start to crawl its way out of the WINE environment and into the native system. But I actually have no clue about how these AC work or is handled by WINE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goronmon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Most likely result of this setup becoming popular is the anti-cheat working harder to detect being sandboxed in this manner. Since it's the same thing a cheater would do to defeat the anti-cheat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe people will transition slowly over to linux permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Goronmon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I still can’t look past the rootkit anticheat for a goddamn co-op game. This is probably pissing into the wind, but that isn't what "rootkit" means in this context. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Unfortunately you can't get through to these people. They refuse to accept that rootkit as a security concept isn't just an admin level process that can be hijacked, but a specifically malicious bundle of programs that embeds itself in your firmware and runs in secret. The anticheat isn't running secretly, as the game informs you of its use and requirement. It also doesn't access your MoBo firmware or UEFI, merely the kernel of the OS. No one with even the bare minimum Sec+ cert would call it a rootkit, and only those with no actual knowledge take that claim seriously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one with even the bare minimum Sec+ cert would call it a rootkit That's what it's page on wikipedia says. nProtect GameGuard (sometimes called GG) is an anti-cheating rootkit developed by INCA Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Oh damn wikipedia, that's never been edited by someone with an agenda before. Go look up the dictionary/CompTIA definition of a rootkit, not what some FOSS bro edited the wiki page to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Unfortunately you can't get through to these people. They refuse to accept that rootkit as a security concept isn't just an admin level process that can be hijacked, but a specifically malicious bundle of programs that embeds itself in your firmware and runs in secret. The anticheat isn't running secretly, as the game informs you of its use and requirement. It also doesn't access your MoBo firmware or UEFI, merely the kernel of the OS. No one with even the bare minimum Sec+ cert would call it a rootkit, and only those with no actual knowledge take that claim seriously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one with even the bare minimum Sec+ cert would call it a rootkit That's what it's page on wikipedia says. nProtect GameGuard (sometimes called GG) is an anti-cheating rootkit developed by INCA Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Oh damn wikipedia, that's never been edited by someone with an agenda before. Go look up the dictionary/CompTIA definition of a rootkit, not what some FOSS bro edited the wiki page to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) No one with even the bare minimum Sec+ cert would call it a rootkit That's what it's page on wikipedia says. nProtect GameGuard (sometimes called GG) is an anti-cheating rootkit developed by INCA Internet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Oh damn wikipedia, that's never been edited by someone with an agenda before. Go look up the dictionary/CompTIA definition of a rootkit, not what some FOSS bro edited the wiki page to be. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago Oh damn wikipedia, that's never been edited by someone with an agenda before. Go look up the dictionary/CompTIA definition of a rootkit, not what some FOSS bro edited the wiki page to be. permalink fedilink source parent