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A loud minority of Texans call for Independence, which is not really possible as far as I know, BUT could the Rest of the USA just kick another state (Not necessary Texas) out? Or is this also not possible?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Wonder though, does that mean states can combine?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Actually, yes, but that has never happened.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago

Yeah, because you're giving up federal power for... a bigger state budget? Not really a great trade.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

"By your ~~powers~~ states combined, I am Captain Planet!"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's laid out very explicitly in the COTUS (Article IV, Section 3, Clause 1):

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The funny thing is that during the civil war, West Virginia seceded from Virginia, and Congress voted to allow it and they were accepted into the union. There are a lot of people who argue that when that happened it was unconstitutional. However, it has never been tested, as far as I know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

That's a new word. We have POTUS, FLOTUS, SCOTUS and now COTUS.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That would almost imply the Confederacy had legally left the USA, and Wrst Virginia legally left the Confederacy and joined the Union. Basically you could say none of this was un constitutional if the Confederacy was not a part of the USA at the time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I would be doing it a disservice to try and explain it myself, but there were a lot of legal theories on how they could justify WV without justifying the Confederacy leaving the union. It's an interesting topic.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Seems like it'd be easier, more honest and less "Jump through hoopy" to just say they left and we reconquered them. Unless you really don't want think states leaving is legal when it probably is.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You're mistaking the fact that I recognize a limitation of myself with something else.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If what I said wasn't fairly accurate, there'd be no need for legal arguments so arcane you don't feel capable of describing them accurately.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

One thing I am pretty good at is recognizing blatantly bad logically fallacious arguments on the internet, such as the classic "false dichotomy."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No, you clearly aren't, especially if you think this is a false dichotomy. I'm sorry, you were right about your limitations.