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[+] 115 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)
  • [+] -14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's on the customer either way

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  • [+] 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
  • [+] -33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Dude, everyone understands the tipping system, the market isn't gonna correct if it goes away because you'll still be paying the exact same amount.

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  • [+] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
  • [+] -32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're wrong. Is that clear enough?

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  • [+] 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
  • [+] -27 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Better than yours. The wordiness don't make it true.

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  • [+] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
  • [+] -15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think you're confused, I'm not the one complaining.

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  • [+] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)
  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    I don't think a lot of Lemmy understands it doesn't matter how you are subsidizing the wages, you're doing it regardless. Like this clown who thinks food will be cheaper if more cash goes through the owner to the waiter instead of straight to the waiter. Regardless of system the customer is paying for everything, not the owner, unless of course his business is failing. Imagine the entitlement required to desire everyone change their model to make things cheaper for you, at a business that is completely a luxury. You could simply learn to cook instead of whining about tipping.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Dude, everyone understands the tipping system

    This is not true. I've visited the USA multiple times and I've gotten tipping wrong every time.

    the market isn't gonna correct if it goes away because you'll still be paying the exact same amount.

    This is also not really true. You look at a menu in Australia and the price you see is the exact amount you pay. $20 lunch is $20 on the bill. No added tips or taxes or anything.

    For the customer, this system is better.

    Saying that same lunch in the USA would 'have been $14 on the menu in the USA' would not match my experience. In fact, prices for most things were in the same rough ballpark once the exchange rate was factored in.

    Caveat: my last visit was 10 years ago. My experience may be out of date. 15% was considered a normal tip, then.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I'm sorry you're a moron, and I don't take financial advice from people who can't figure out something as simple as tipping protocol. And quit lying, food is definitely cheaper on average in the states, and greater quantity too.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The food is pumped with filler trash, so the quantity is definitely there, but the prices aren't as cheap as you think, especially for what you're getting.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago*

    Are you a foreign to the USA trucker who spent a good portion of the last 7 years south of the border? No? I am, and know exactly what I'm talking about, intimately familiar with farm/ranch end prices and also wholesale prices as I now own a restaurant. I'm the rare person who's worked at every end of the food industry and the middle too, as well as being a frequent customer in 22 states and 8 provinces. and very familiar with currency conversions from all the commodity rates, shipping and ordering. Meanwhile you are some fucking guy saying "nuh uh" who likely needs to go to wikipedia to try describe current American farm subsidy policy.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    The difference is that on slow nights, staff get paid less, which is fucked up.

    The business needs to wear the cost, because they reap the rewards, which is the narrative capitalism supposedly is about.

    Tipping sucks, I'm glad we don't have it in Australia.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Oh look, an Aussie that needs you know that. Yes yes, everything is better there, it has to be, why else would y'all spend so much time trying to convince everyone of it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Tipping does still suck though, and the way it is in many states of the US, slow business literally means employees get paid less, which is pretty fucked.

    Australia certainly isn't perfect, and don't let anyone tell you how great Medicare is here because it's not what it uses to be and slowly but surely slipping into private health insurance hell due to its languishing, but heck, defensive much mate?

    I am glad that I don't have to deal with tipping. Tipping is trash and seemingly many Americans agree it's trash.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not defensive, I really don't care for Australians, they've a way of conducting themselves that I find very fucking irritating. New Zealanders i can get along with.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm sorry for my place of birth, and I'm sorry for liking the fact I don't have to tip because of my place of birth, I guess?

    This is just a strange internet interaction, but may I suggest not letting people you're not a fan of them because of their nationality?

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  • [+] -61 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Tipping is good bc you van pay the employee directly. What needs to change is that tips need to be mandatory and when tips fall short of a living wage the business must pay pay to make up.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I agree wholeheartedly! Let's make tipping mandatory. In fact, let's add it on to the price of your bill automatically. Better still, let's just add it onto the menu price. Oh hey, we've come full circle.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    What difference is there to you, then, between "employer pays a reasonable living wage to their employees but raises the prices of the food a bit to accommodate" and "employer pays poverty wages, forcing the customers to pay their employees for them and forcing tax payers to pay up when people earning poverty wages inevitably rely on government programs to simply survive?" If tipping is mandatory, the only people that benefit is the employer since they can simply double dip - spend less money on payroll AND force the customer to make up for your lack of willingness to pay competitive wages. Yes, under current law, employers are supposed to make the difference if tips can't cover at least minimum wage, but that's not enforced nearly as much as it should be, which puts the onus on the workers being exploited in the first place, and even then minimum wage in this country is embarrassingly unfit for supporting anybody.

    The more important question to ask is "why am I expected to pay an employee when the money I already give to a business should cover wages in the first place?"

    I'm a tipped employee for my day job. I make a decent base pay, but the tips make up for that in spades during busy seasons. I've bought my current car with tip money. Despite this, I fully support getting rid of tips if it meant my livelihood wouldn't be a gamble depending on factors outside my control, and especially if it meant fewer people had to rely on government assistance and could better provide a livelihood for themselves.

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