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Canada declares Flipper Zero public enemy No. 1 in car-theft crackdown

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Let's instead declare public enemy number one as the asshat marketers that took away our physical keys and forced us to use poorly secured dongles.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Its really no worse than it was with keys. The flipper zero only works on very cheap, corner cutting simple systems. A lot of cars (and all cars should) use non-repeating codes so a simple interception is useless. That doesn't make them invincible of course.

Those cars would, back in the day, use simple corner cutting keys to be secured. There were quite a few cars back in the day that would have only a very small number of keys meaning there was a mon-trivial chance of you running into a car that you could open that wasn't your own. There are countless stories of people accidentally unlocking and getting into cars that are not there's.

Here's a concrete example, there are only about 5000 different keys for some brands of Toyota. A car thief could get 10keys and try 10cars a day (and remember this would take a minute or 2 and not really look suspicious) and successfully steal a car every 2 months or so. A dongle pretty decisively kills this avenue of attack. But like all things shitty engineering opens up new attacks, although on the whole it's a lot harder to steal a car today than before dongles.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Agreed! It's actually pretty easy to make a car not start - that is in fact the default behavior for a large chunk of metal. ~~The fact they will start given whatever fixed input is incredibly unnecessary.~~

Edit: Apparently they don't? It's in the article. This announcement is just totally misaimed.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Dont all cars still have physical keys (necessary for dead batteries)?

And don't all cars have a switch to turn off wireless keys?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I can most assuredly tell you that that is not the case, my vehicle does have a physical key hidden away in the fob, it however only unlocks the driver side door, that's it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Ok cool, I have entered my vehicle with the key alone, there is no possible way to start it without the fob. Save possibly a flipper,

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Usually theres a place to insert the fob, then press Start

This works without a battery. Its passive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Well for me it does not, hell my car doesn't even have a oil or transmission dipstick, they have taken those away and run the info through the infotainment console.