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[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Opening from the bottom is inherently worse

[–] [email protected] 46 points 9 months ago (1 children)

it's inherently superior because you can have the window slam onto the fingers of a person trying to crawl in through the window

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

In Europe we use roller shutters for that

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You can have them on residential buildings‽

I live in Europe and I have only seen them in commercial settings to protect store and stuff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Those metal shutters, that black out the whole room? They have those in Portugal, Spain, most of the mid-southwest Mediterranean. France also. But they're basically ubiquitous in Portugal. Pretty nifty actually.

Edit: This was driving me nuts, sorry, but I couldn't find a single good image of what I mean. Here's the best I could make the robot monkey do (YMMV):

It sounds like you're describing "Persianas" – a term used in Portugal (and other Spanish or Portuguese-speaking countries) for a specific type of heavy-duty indoor blinds or shutters. These are not the thin metal or fabric blinds but rather thick, often horizontal slats that can be rolled down to cover windows or doors completely, providing excellent light blockage and insulation.

Why? Because they're amazing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Funnily enough we call the small thin ones in the picture I posted "Persienner".

They don't provide any significant insulation but they can also cover the whole window and block light pretty well. Not perfectly, but good enough for most applications.

If they aren't enough for you, you can have specific black out curtains that either roll down or slide in front of the window. I suspect black out curtains exist literally everywhere. I am just mentioning it for completeness sake.

I suspect black out curtains are especially common where they get sun 24/7 during the summer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

You can have them where you want. They makes some nice things nowadays.

https://www.maisondustore.ch/uploads/media/Sans%20CFVGGF.png

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's pretty normal to have them on every window, at least in Germany

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Here, integrated window blinders are very common. But if you don't have them you will probably use some sort of curtains (either normal or roll down).

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (1 children)

They open from the top as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

At that point why do you even need windows?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The worse part is now they’re built cheaply so the screen is only the bottom half. You can still open the top, or from both top and bottom for convection, but now you get bugs

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

If you get windows one step above "cheapest available" you get a moveable screen.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Windows are the kind of thing that are generally built locally for multiple reasons. So your experience will vary greatly based on what the window factory in your area is doing.

Where I live, single hung windows (only one sash) are most common, so only one screen is needed. Double hung windows are less common because people don't want to pay for the expense of the additional sash (a lot of springs and mechanisms needed for a sash). A screen is an expense too, but nowhere near the expense of an additional shaft. Possibly the intent was to allow for opening the top to making cleaning easier, but that's usually accomplished by having the top "fixed" portion of the single hung window be able to tilt out because putting all the springs and mechanisms for an additional sash for a feature to make it easier to clean isn't necessary.

Yeah... I worked at a window factory before. The calculations needed to figure out the tension needed on the springs so that it will counter the weight of the sash was fun.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

It entirely depends on who installed the windows and what brand. Our windows are amazing and high quality.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

At least you get screens. Where I live mosquitoes are common and yet screens are very rare.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

Ok, our windows can open from the sides or tops as well :D