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Referring to the Irish in 1863 as "white" is hilarious.
And yeah conscripted to fight a war is evil. It's evil with Russia doing it, it was evil when Lincoln did it in 1863, and it was evil during the world wars and it was evil during the vietnam war.
Can you expand on this? Was "white" just not commonly used at the time? Or were the Irish just though of as less-than and therefore also not-white?
The latter. Whiteness is a social construct that has been used as a convenient way to stratify classes since the 17th century, and it isn't always about skin color. Plenty of pale ethnicities have been left out at various times, then subsumed when it suited the powerful to balance the in from the out. The new insiders would naturally fight to protect their new higher status from their former peers who were now lesser than they. Irish settlers were the outsiders of the day, like Latin American migrant workers are today. It's about exploiting the powerless and keeping a pecking order in place.
Fully agree. I would add that racist behaviours in racialized ethnicities (as the Irish people in NY at that time) is not, historically, extraordinary.
The 2nd. There was much hatred of the Irish for most of their history, even today. Nobody would event think about calling an irishman "white", same for Italians at the same time.
No Irish Need Apply
The "white" concept is fairly new and changes often. Irish definitely weren't "white" at this time.
The current use of "white" is a stupid concept trying to split humanity into two groups: "white" and "colored", with some quantum-races too. Jewish people, hispanics, etc can be "white" or not depending on the situation.
I'm not "white", I'm Swedish and German. Don't deny my heritage by lumping me in with everyone else.