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Hopefully this defuses the "lemmy is a tankie network" rumour once and for all
I've never heard of that. Where did that rumor come from?
Moron, morons everywhere
If you follow the link and then the "History of Lemmy" link it does get weirdly anti US....
What does it mean to be "weirdly anti US"?
Have accurate assessments of US politics, socioeconomics, and foreign policy
Just my feeling read it for yourself I guess
Being lucid, having a clear view on geopolitics and not just believing any garbage narrative thrown around with no sources.
ok tankie
I donβt have an issue with the developers being Tankies as long as it doesnβt affect the software
Here are some mod logs from lemmy.ml (which is an instance run by the Lemmy devs) from a few years ago: https://raddle.me/f/TankiesGonnaTank/89852/the-lemmy-ml-admin-is-banning-anyone-that-mentions-stalin-or
Here's one of the Lemmy devs (you can tell it's them from their profile activity) denying genocide: https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq954mu/
Insisting that fascists are good, actually not fascists at all, as long as their nationalism makes them oppose the US (because the enemy of my enemy is a totally good guy!): https://old.reddit.com/r/DebateCommunism/comments/vgg2x3/thoughts_on_slavoj_zizek/id2cxb8/
There's more here: https://raddle.me/f/lobby/159606/-/comment/294792
Mostly irrelevant in this context, because the topic at hand is the developer denying that they condone these practices and insisting that it is a manufactured narrative. You are replying to a rebuttal of this.
Your opinion is a completely fair one to have, but we don't need to shift the conversation back to it every time someone provides a rebuttal to "the dev never actually said that" with receipts.
Yeah I know, I don't think them being tankies is really a problem for Lemmy as a whole. I was just annoyed that all they had to say is "no we aren't tankies" and people just took them at their word lol
IMO it's a little more cynical than that, they rephrased the narrative into one that they could cleanly reject and be quoted on. As others have pointed out, it is almost a certainty that 1) they do not consider themselves or their ideology to be fascist, and 2) they aren't supporting genocide if they do not acknowledge that the peoples in question are actually subject to genocide.
Edit: ...Which you've already affirmed in one of your previous comments, my bad.
Yup, you're exactly right with your analysis. They're pulling typical tankie BS ironically.
It impacts as long as those problematic instances are federated
How? Like in what way?
The users, communities and posts of those instances are enabled and pushed to innocent users as well and not just contained on their own "island".
In their own blogs they actually offer the solution to be defederation of harmful instances but nothing is currently happening with the situation.
I guess it kinda matters in that people like me certainly won't be giving any code contributions, which for an open source project can be critical to its long-term health.
But devs also tolerate and use tons of code and the licenses that Richard Stallman wrote, even if he's a huge creepball that a bunch of other free software orgs had to back away from.
So we'll see. I also wouldn't rule out a fork of it just so that it's officially ran by a less controversial group.
Where did they say that? Are you just counting on people not reading the shit you're linking?
I don't expect good faith engagement from people who go around slandering others like this but this is a new low.
Users left Reddit but brought with them the horrible attitude that contributed to ruining that site...