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More Police Are Using Your Cameras for Video Evidence (www.themarshallproject.org)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Private security footage is nothing new to criminal investigations, but two factors are rapidly changing the landscape: huge growth in the number of devices with cameras, and the fact that footage usually lands in a cloud server, rather than on a tape.

When a third party maintains the footage on the cloud, it gives police the ability to seek the images directly from the storage company, rather than from the resident or business owner who controls the recording device. In 2022, the Ring security company, owned by Amazon, admitted that it had provided audio and video from customer doorbells to police without user consent at least 11 times. The company cited “exigent circumstances.”

Archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20240116132800/https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/01/13/police-video-surveillance-california

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You should always assume any camera to be hostile, unless you have full and complete control over all related software and connections.

Basically, the people who supplied the device will always have more control over it than you do. And big tech just looooves to abuse that and/or cave in to pressure from governments and police agencies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Sadly there’s little option for some stuff. Robot vacuums have become super useful, even if they are arguably the biggest security risk that exists. And that will never change, no matter how capable the products get

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

There are open source solutions for robot vaccums provided you get a compatible robot

https://valetudo.cloud/

Unfortunately it's not something the average person's going to undertake.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm trying real hard to develop advocacy for this stuff. I think there's a genuine business to be made helping people use privacy-respecting stuff like this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What we need to do is organize and push for a right to privacy rather than work around the system in place.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Por que no los dos?

The reality is tcp/IP was intentonally developed without encryption built in. So we'll always have to look out for ourselves. And there'll always be bad actors, with government and politicians being top of the list.

Trust, but verify. Do you just go when a light turns green, or do you check and verify other cars running a red first?

I'd rather look out for myself and know where my risks are, than trust that bad actors will follow the law.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The link doesn’t work, but I just found out it’s actually supported on mine! Although I probably won’t mess with it, since I’m not alone here

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Thanks for the heads up, fixed the link.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Why would you consider robot vacuums to be particularly dangerous in terms of security? I’m certainly more weary of things like Google Nest, Amazon Alexa, pet cams, doorbell cams, that sort of thing.

I know that some but not all vacuums have cameras, and I’d assume some might have microphones as well. But in general it doesn’t strike me as inherently more dangerous to one’s privacy.