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I'm in the same boat, but I also don't think I could join an instance with downvotes disabled. Status quo is great, but there are times in which downvotes are necessary - seems a bit shortsighted to disable them
It's really going to be hard not to say r/AngryUpVote now...
The weird thing is that on kbin.social you see who has upvoted/downvoted comments and posts (not only your own comments and posts either). I don't know if this is just part of the activityPub protocol and don't know if it is visible on any of the lemmy websites, but it sparked interesting discussions whether this will cause problems or if it actually enforces people to use the downvote button as "does not contribute" instead of "I disagree".
Technical note, of course the systen needs to remember who voted and who didn't. I heard that it can cause considerable network load at the servers.
Yeah that makes sense, I just thought maybe that is something that would be kept in the backend and then just give the values to frontend. Didn't know about the issue with network load, that's interesting.
Yes that is what it does, in the backend. Every time someone pushes a vote button though, the info is sent back to the originating server, and then it is sent out to all other servers that have at least one subscriber, so that the numbers can be updated. So this is internal federation traffic.There's now a discussion to possibly pool all those internal messages.
That is even more interesting! Thanks for all the info!
I could have gven you a link immediately ... perhaps you even want to take part, idk: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3062
Was just about to edit my comment, was trying to google but realized I'll probably never find it lol. Appreciated!
Honestly, I wondered about this... I should look more into that. I'm fine with my own upvotes/downvotes being public on this account - i probably wouldn't want the same on a work or NSFW account, and can understand why it'd be an issue on personal accounts for some. A necessary evil for federation.
Honestly, the main thing for me is retaining the ability to downvote disinformation, bad faith arguments, and excessively offtopic/low quality contributions to a community. Definitely not an issue at Lemmys current size, it'd be a massive issue as it grew.
Very good points and I agree with the need to downvote in case of disinfo/offtopic/etc.
Looking forward to see how this all develops.
I pretty much upvote anything I see unless it's one of the bad points you mentioned, and a funny side effect is that I can see what I haven't read yet because it hasn't been upvoted/downvoted.
Does lemmy.world support downvotes?
Yes
Interesting. I may have to switch over there -- I also see the value in having downvotes as an option for content that just isn't up to community snuff. Lemmy.one doesn't have 'em.
Here is a list of server configurations: https://github.com/maltfield/awesome-lemmy-instances
So downvotes are disabled even for communities not on lemmy.one? So in other communities people can downvote me but I can't downvote them? Arg, I picked the wrong server.
Seems to be that way :\