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More things like Star Trek? (lemmy.world)
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Over the last few years my family and I have binged all of Star Trek, then moved on to Star Trek adjacent shows like The Orville and Stargate. At the moment we're not really watching anything sci-fi. I was wondering if anyone had recommendations for similar shows (or maybe some books) that fill the void left by Star Trek. In particular I really like the episodes that deal with interacting with other civilizations, diplomacy, and exploration more-so than say, an anomaly episode.

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[–] 9 points 2 years ago (8 children)

If you have read the Foundation books, the series will piss you off. Not just because it has very little in common with the books but because it goes against what the books stood for. And the most interesting parts of the Foundation tv series are the emperor arcs, which are original and arent from the books.

It seems to me that the creator wanted to make a scifi series of his own but just used the Foundation name for branding, name dropping and some abstract story elements. And then try to marry all the elements with some inane movie alchemy bullshit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I read the books and ultimately didn’t like them very much. I recognize their value but they just weren’t for me. I don’t remember a lot about them, enough, say, to get upset about how they changed this or that character.

    And I found that show to be an utter mess. Just a mess. It’s a mess absolutely chock full of stuff. It’s a very beautiful mess. It’s a mess with amazing production values. But it’s still a hot mess. Forget adapting the books… what in the world is it about at all?? Ultimately it seemed to just get stuck on its emperor character and invented various struggles to take him down. Totally empty in the end.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago (6 children)

    Huh. Watched the TV show and haven’t read the books. It did feel a little odd in a way that was hard to put my finger on. Maybe it’s that? What’s the pitch on the books if they’re that different from what I see in the show?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    What would you say the show is about? And not just the starting premise. Having seen the whole thing, what’s at the center?

    I found it to be a huge morass of sound and fury orbiting an empty center.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 years ago

    I think the show has some decent themes that connect together alright. There's a bit of a free will vs determinism thing going on. A bit of what is a human/transporter problem with the robot, the emperor clones, and Harry's mind copies.

    But there's also a lot of other noise that kinda makes the show too unfocused to properly explore those ideas. There's some war on terror/fall of Rome imagery. There's the weird religious stuff around the Church of Seldon. The mentalists wanting to put their leader into Gale's body, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent

    • Salvor Hardin

    I can't think of a better way to explain the difference between the books and the show then that quote.

    Can you imagine Salvor of the show ever saying that?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Some of the books are small stories that take part throughout the ages and have different characters. In the series they decided to have the same protagonists, so they went through insanely convoluted plot devices to achieve that and to move them around the place and have them being related.

    But my real issue is that they really changed not only Hari Seldon's and "Demerzel"'s characters but what the series is about. They are kinda making it a religion and then say "oh it isnt a religion thing, it is just a tool, oh nvm, it is a religion, ha just kidding, not a religion or maybe it is". The foundation series is pretty atheistic in nature. And while religion is used(as a tool against the outsiders), the tv series makes Seldon a televangelist.

    The tv series is full of deus ex machina and not even good deus ex machina. Maybe they felt the initial stories would appear somewhat simplistic and tried to modernize them and make them "edgy". Generally, 90% of the plot isnt from the books.

    "Demerzel" is a couple characters combined from the books but ultimately she is the most important character of the show(well i assume so, because she isnt a 1:1 character from the books). And she cannot be religious.

    Most of these issues could be solved by simply renaming the series and some story editing to make it tighter and less convoluted. You dont need to have the same characters be everywhere, at every period and be related to each other, it is silly and cringe, just like Rey Palpatine Skywalker.

    I will still watch future seasons and the show has many stories and scenes that are great(most of the Empire stuff, which are original). But even without knowledge of the books, i feel those artificial story arcs that try to connect characters are bad.

    TLDR : If the books are Star Trek TNG, the series is Star Trek Discovery

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