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What does removing the king look like in our deeply ingrained, hyper capitalist society?
Get rid of billionaires first as they are the #1 problem. Then go step by step.
The French did it before, so we can do the same
I feel like we have a lot more obstacles in our way than the French did during their revolution. Most notably heavily armed militaries, inscrutable governmental ties with wealthy elites, and a large fraction of the population conditioned into thinking that our current system is infallible.
It was the same when most of Europe's monarchies were dethroned. Heavily armed militaries were there, it was the time of the Great War after all. Inscrutable government ties? Half the monarchs were cousins, the ruling class was essentially one family. A large fraction of our population thinking that the system is infallible? Divine right of kings, everyone was religious as hell, and you literally had your church in your ID cards.
The system still rolled over when millions of armed men came home from the war, their friends brutally killed for four years, their country which they were taught to sacrifice for debased, themselves having lived in a trench for four years.
The thing is, systems where the few accumulate ever more resources by taking it from the many is not sustainable. Of course, it seems we'll give up democracy before giving up capitalism. The thing is, democratic traditions are the difference between what happened to the Windsors and the Romanovs when the inevitable change comes. It also is the difference between the experience of the common man living in England vs Russia.
We all going to die eventually. Give my life meaning, I dare you.
And pray tell what happened consequently, good sir?
They had their cake, and ate it too!
Diminishing the central state to its most minimal form: judicial system, police and military. Everything else should be based on freedom.
Guillotine the state! I wouldn't say absolute no to some semi-accidental deaths of business leaders who grossly abused the state via lobbying etc while doing this transition, frankly. But not primarily because they're billionaires or capitalist, rather because they're scumbags.
(It's possible that all current billionaires became billionaires because of abusing government lobbying, but I don't know)
Oh! Yeah those are definitely the good parts of the state!
You think they should be private as well? That's a bit more radical form of ancap that I'm not at all certain about. Also, I don't have a clue how a private judicial system could ever work.
Not an ancap at all. I would argue the judicial system, police, and military are already in the hands of the wealthy, so aren't they kinda private?
If that's true, then they're the worst kind of private, the kind where there's no competition. So technically private yes, but in the most abhorrent and corrupt way. The libertarian position is that such links must be eradicated.
For a lot of things, that eradication can be done by simply removing the whole thing (e.g. how Milei seems to be doing in Argentina), but those three things most probably cannot exist privately. Thing is, the fewer things we as citizens have to be very vigilant about (and I dare to say that everyone agrees these three are such things -- some people just argue that they are not the only things), the easier it is to do so.