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The implication that there is or has ever been a monolithic "white culture" is idiotic. It is one of those assertions where the left and right horseshoe towards falsehood and depravity. That is to say both the Klan and extreme progressives agree there is a magic all encompassing definition of "whiteness".
This concept itself is racist because it assumes Ashkenazi Jewish, Nordic, Russian, and Irish cultures are identical in some way, when they obviously aren't. "The shared amount of relative pigmentation in skin" doesn't culturally unite people, nor does it account for their shared values and traditions, or lack thereof.
I understand how "white" become the word for a sort of assumed racial default, but it's really annoying to have to play this weird motte-and-bailey when people don't understand or pretend not to understand that whiteness is not about skin pigmentation and never was. Wanna check my skin on a Pantone chart againts Hitler's and then guess which one of us he thought was merely an "honorary aryan"?
I wish we had a better word for it.
"Italian" was excluded from "white" in the US in living memory
I mean, we don't consider Italians white too over here, but we also don't think there's some kind of "white culture". I'm Flemish and that's my culture, and it's definitely not the same as any other Western European culture.
What do you mean by this? Speaking for myself, what I've read on the left with respect to "whiteness" has been largely critical of the concept, e.g. that it exists by its function to other and marginalize those deemed non-white. Who are you talking about on the left that affirms a non-reductive concept of whiteness? Because it sounds like you're both-sides-ing out of ignorance.
just wait til they whip out their horseshoe-shaped chart. then you’ll understand that one mastodon ancom is exactly equal to one nazi skinhead in terms of both falsehood and depravity
@mctoasterson @dgerard and it doesn’t even acknowledge the changing boundaries of “white”. The Irish weren’t white in America for decades. Jews weren’t white until post-wwii when “polite antisemitism “ became tainted and had to be discarded in the face of the civil rights movement.
@mctoasterson @dgerard the only thing white people have in common is high albedo.