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I think this reflects more on the psychology and honestly sociopathy of society rather than specific individuals.
Western society alienates us from the things we do every day to survive. If you're constantly on the knife edge of having the needs to survive, and at the same time you labour to produce insane wealth for others, and this labour is wrapped in a puritan mythos of virtue and "good," people will eventually snap. When access to weapons is easy and a culture of violence and glorifying violence is also involved, it's not surprising that some people snap in a violent way.
I dunno it seems like there's a pretty solid "type" for mass shooters - young, white, male - that means something is left out of your evaluation. Economic oppression (by the owner class) and easy access to guns (enabled by the owner class!) makes it easy for these disaffected people to commit mass violence on the rest of us.
I'm sure if people had more economic security there would be fewer shootings but I don't expect they'd go away. But a lot of these shooters talk about feeling alienated or disrespected. In my estimation that comes from expectations not being met. Probably unrealistic expectations.
(Yes I know "not every shooter is a young white male")
There certainly is a type. I did leave that out of my initial response but it's not missing from my evaluation. US culture is built in large part on white supremacy and toxic masculinity. When you combine these with the Marxian alienation I touched on in my original response (different from but not unrelated to the alienation from unrealistic expectations you mention), you have very high potential for young white men to snap in violent fashion. Another characteristic to add to the young white male profile is US military experience, at least a third of mass shooters are veterans.
Why don't the rest of the oppressed working classes commit these types of mass shootings? Because, to put it bluntly, they already know their place, whether this is conscious or not. We as working people are all oppressed by the capitalist class, and the products of our labour are taken from us. Yet only white people are taught through all elements of popular culture that they are the chosen ones, in a manner of speaking, and on top of that only white men are taught that they were meant to have it all - in liberal/capitalist culture this can be roughly reduced to power, wealth, and sex. When a young white man then struggles to achieve these supposedly easy targets society has told him he deserves, he becomes frustrated, and this frustration has the potential to build to violence against others, especially in a society which, for lack of a better term, celebrates violence like the US. This is very different both individually and culturally to women and people of colour failing to achieve such goals, for the goals society sets for them are very different. I'm also not saying that people do not have agency, but we are in many ways products of our material conditions.
I strongly believe that in a world with not just economic security for all but a sense of social security in our communities and a humanist and collaborative culture, acts such as mass shootings would never happen - the material conditions for them to occur, as I've briefly gone into here, simply would no longer exist.