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"Both parties are the same!" (lemmy.world)
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[+] 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (37 children)
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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Or when they say but he's the most progressive president since fdr

    True but that just show how far right the country has been.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I think the Sanders campaign put the nail in the coffin there.

    Superdelegate party darlings don't want it.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's a damning nail in the coffin for people arguing to work within a system to change it through the "necessary channels." Rosa Luxembourg was correct, revolution is the only real path for change, whether that be by threat of revolution a la the Civil Rights movement, or by building up parallel structures from without, or, hopefully never coming to it, violent means.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    And when you look at how Israel is basically fascist when it comes to Palestine and Biden has backed them unconditionally it blurs the lines even more.

    But lives overseas don't matter as much as American lives to most of the US.

    Is Trump worse? Hell yes. Is Biden good? No.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

    Ya know, almost 3 years into Biden's presidency and I've only seen like 4 Biden bumper stickers.

    I've seen 6 trump bumper stickers this week.

    What is a Biden stan? Does a Biden stan have to wear Biden's slogan on a hat? (Is there even a slogan?)

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I call those people radlibs, they radically support the establishment dems and firmly reject any suggestion of movement towards the left. One of em asked me if I would rather move America to the left and enable genocide and a Trump victory, or vote Biden, and when I said I'd do both, vote Democrat and make grassroots change to the left like unionizing, they told me I had to choose.

    Wtf is that?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Of course because they aren't left, they pander to the left then shame us when it doesn't work. They don't view politics in a dialectical way because they are ideologues. We on the left recognize political ideologies are contingent on economic realities and not the other way around. Liberals have no conception of that, they think if more people can simply be convinced rationally to adhere to an ideaology then political change will happen.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    Thing is, people have lots of reasons to not like Biden. I assume my reasons, for instance, are probably completely different from your reasons. But that's what you get when the guy is actually responsible for things. He'll need to make some decisions that almost nobody likes. That doesn't yet make them wrong decisions, or the totality of his governance wrong.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Genocide

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I refer you to my other comment covering that one: https://sopuli.xyz/comment/5516596

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Except he's not the lesser of two evils. What a braindead take.

    If you have to eat brocoli or asparagus, you can whine about lesser of two, but when one guy is LITERARILY trying to overthrow democracy and is actively calling for a dictatorship you are NOT choosing between the lesser of two evils.

    You're choosing between broccoli and Ebola infested diarrhea.

    When Republicans stop being INSANE we can go back to the bOtH sIdEs / lesser of two evils circlejerck, until then stop this muddying of waters bullshit.

    The two options aren't similar or even in the same stratosphere.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    The difference here is that for leftists, liberalism is still evil, just that fascism is far more so. Biden would still be considered the lesser of two evils in that instance.

    Talking down to leftists as though their complaints are illegitimate and pushing a narrative that "Biden is good, actually" just furthers voter apathy, the correct way to engage with leftists is to point out how voting as a leftist is loss prevention. Because voting will never move America to the left, leftists must work on the ground to build grassroots movements, unionize, organize, protest, and more, while voting Democrat to keep fascists out of office.

    Telling clearly passionate people that their criticisms are invalid and that their problems don't matter is an extremely privledged position to hold. For many people, the status quo itself is bad. People can't afford to just vote Democrat, they already can't afford many necessities and are already being targeted by fascists.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    You’re choosing between broccoli and Ebola infested diarrhea.

    If you saw, "Broccoli: better than Ebola infested diarrhea! - Brought to you by the Broccoli Growers of America," you would say that their messaging needed work.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    If only people would dig a little deeper they would find Biden has really done a lot. Further, he is discouraging Israel in many ways. MSM fail.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    I mean, his administration kinda has, like with the restrictions on the M16s heading over there, but he himself is out publicly calling himself a Zionist and offering the most lukewarm criticisms possible, if at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

    It's extremely condescending towards leftists from a vague sense of liberal superiority, like an out of touch talk show host or establishment dem.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That's when they call you a republican bot, lol

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