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"Both parties are the same!" (lemmy.world)
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[–] 9 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The DNC could have passed ballot and electoral reform under Obama when they had good majorities in both the house an senate, but they will not be able to in the foreseeable future (because they likely will not have strong majorities in both chambers for a very long time). I do agree that they probably wouldn't, even if they could, unless the party changes drastically.

I do have (a tiny amount of) hope that "progressives" can gradually change the party. The Republican party has changed quite a bit over the last few decades; neocon under Bush, Tea Party under Obama, and now MAGA. So, it's definitely possible to change a party.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    They didn't have those majorities for a long time. Runoff elections and deaths gave them a two month window or so. They passed Obamacare with that, and had to remove a single payer option to get the last necessary votes.

    But also, the Democrat party was a lot less left in those days. There were a lot of Manchin types of conservative Democrats. We've never had the votes for electoral and ballot reform. We needed to build on our majority in 2010 to do it, and we instead we lost the majority entirely.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    DNC was sued over the Bernie Sanders 2016 politicial era. DNC is considered a corporation.

    Justice Democrats were the "progressives" elected to change the Democrates, if you follow how they vote and talking points changed over the years, the party changed them not the other way around.

    Sabby Sabs had the lawyers of the DNC Fraud Lawsuit.

    DNC Fraud Lawsuit Lawyers Speak Out! Why Marianne & RFK Jr. Can't Win (Interview Clip) [55:31 | May 15 2023 | Sabby Sabs]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi4XKwdVSNo

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Why Marianne & RFK Jr. Can’t Win

    Because the former still won't apologize for saying diseases were all in your head during the AIDS epidemic, and the latter compared COVID safety measures with Nazi Germany? RFK Jr is a certified antivaxxer as well.

    Tell me, do these two need to earn votes as well, or does that only apply to Biden?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    The video is much more than these two, the lawyers themselves even explain why they don't like or would vote for any of them.

    Any politician needs to earn the vote, and should be highly criticized instead of defended.

    Many of us ex-Bernie supporters learn that the hard way, even if we have to learn it multiple times over until we fully understand US politics.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    I’d say the RNC has had a hostile takeover that’s going to lead to a schism, versus an evolution. Post/Reaganism was an evolution that the RNC did very successfully co-opt. Trump’s populist rhetoric has been damaging to the status quo for vested interest, both political and corporate. The tea party movement fizzled out because Obama was popular and had majorities, so their impotent rage didn’t have a strong figurehead until Donnie in 2016.

    I don’t see the progressives changing the party - see: Talib’s censure, Bernie being sidelined until late, or how intra-party caucuses like the squad or the black caucus falls in line. On the right where gridlock is a feature, the house freedom caucus can force an embarrassing number of speakership votes until their ultimatums are met, and be lauded as heroes. Progressives and their voter bloc want a progress, and so have to play ball with the DNC.

    Remember that DoMA went away from a court case, not primary legislation. The ‘gay vote’ was seen as reliable by the DNC, because it’s not like the right is opening its arms to those voters, so there wasn’t any political capital spent on that issue. Just lip service all through the Obama majority years

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