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[–] [S] 20 points 2 years ago (11 children)

So what is the view of imperialism in ML countries and how does it contradicr?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    depends country to country at different points in time. obviously first i’d have to ask who’s side you were on in the sino-soviet split just as a baseline. or to go further, whether or not you support stalin’s decision to recognize and send aid to israel when it declared independence

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Im not sure where i stand on those things need to read more. Just want to know where those countries stand today and how it contradicts the concept of an "imperial core"

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    the countries don’t exactly deliver press releases saying what imperialism is usually they just say “down with yankee imperialism”. do you want something like a curriculum on how the subject is taught in school? how these countries actually act?

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Well you said they dont world systems theory so i assumed you had evidence of that. Saying "down with yankee imperialism" is hardly contradictory. They might not literally read Wallerstein but if youre going to deny his development of theory and its applicability to modern conditions (that Marx and Lenin never observed) based on what you think the DPRK and Cuba think about it i would assume youd have something more solid.

    Che said that the United States is the belly of the beast. That certainly seems in line.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    the onus is not on my proving they don’t follow some esoteric sociological theory of a foreign professor but on you to prove that they do. and no che using poetic license is not proof of a communist country following a hundreds of page long dissertation. next you’ll say iran follows it too since it says israel little satan and america big satan

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I literally said that they may not read Wallerstein. The point is that the broad strokes are not contradictory to the concept of an imperial core existing. I was looking for ideas that actually materially contradict here. Honestly, i dont think you need to follow all of Wallerstein to use the term imperial core. If its useful for describing the current geopolitical situation, which i think it is, then its useful.

    Honestly this all just seems like a nitpick to throw me off base. None of it contradicts my core points.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    marxism isn’t about what feels useful and isn’t about what’s geopolitically common sense from your perspective. if you oppose communists overthrowing the government in my country and support the demsocs who want to continue capitalist relations and exploitation I don’t consider you a comrade in the same struggle, to put it as simply as possible

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 2 years ago

    When did i say anything about opposing communists overthrowing them lol? I support them against the west, not against communists. Youre reading things in that arent there, perhaps because of prior experiance?

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