this post was submitted on 07 Dec 2023
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I think that you are under informed and miseducated as to both the dynamics of complex adaptive social systems - particularly human ones but also as a theoretical concept. You’re also under formed about the diversity of actual human societies.
David Graeber was arguably the most gifted anthropologist of our generation, and both explicitly and repeatedly disproved your assertions as being native to humanity through rigorous investigation of actual human cultures spanning the globe and the past 10,000 years. I strongly encourage you to look into some of his books.
Interesting research to bring up, but I think there are a lot of valid points brought up against some of his and his colleagues’ work. Here’s a blog by someone who has the same politics as him: https://climateandcapitalism.com/2021/12/17/the-dawn-of-everything-gets-human-history-wrong/
Besides that I think some archeologists often fail to compare the boundary conditions under which past societal norms were shaped relative to those we have today. For example, it’s a lot easier to imagine an egalitarian structure to be acceptable amongst members of a community when we didn’t have that much skill difference or specialization, or when society was just you and your tribe. We have a lot more information, historical baggage and means of self-realization now. Tbh, I find some researchers divorced from reality (the kind of stuff that gives rise to realpolitiks) but maybe I am just stupid.
Interesting. Will do