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[–] teft@startrek.website 27 points 2 years ago (30 children) Thought the first rule was “Greed is eternal”? permalink fedilink source hideshow 30 child comments replies: [–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 27 points 2 years ago (27 children) In a post scarcity society, greed becomes irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 27 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 49 points 2 years ago This man doesn’t have the lobes for business. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago If you can't create artificial demand in a utopian society, what kind of Ferangi are you? permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) Post-scarcity societies are good for business. Rule of Acquisition #74. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Rule #74 is Knowledge equals profit. Are you reading some pirated copy of the rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) Don't give Hu-Mons the actual Rules of Acquisition. Rule of Acquisition #23. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I see this is actually the Grand Nagus’ account. I’m sorry Grand Nagus. My apologies. permalink fedilink source parent [+] n3m37h@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (15 children) Define "post-scarcity". You can't replicate everything (without programmable matter, anyways...), and some raw materials are needed to build the replicators. And latinum is a rare commodity, though I don't know why it's so value beyond its scarcity. Greed will always be there as long as some things remain scarce yet required for a functioning society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children) Latinum is only valuable outside of the Federation, where societies are not post-scarcity. Now, before you argue that there are no material conditions demanding scarcity in (some of) them, I’ll add that artificial scarcity is scarcity nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) In societies outside the Federation, where they don't have replicators, things have value due to being able to use them for other purposes. Latinum has never been shown to be used for any other purpose except to trade. Its not clear why a useless material is considered valuable, except for the fact that its rare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) Says a huh-man that uses paper to trade... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That paper is at least backed by the GDP of my country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) That reminds me of that joke: Two economists are walking side-by-side. One tells the other: I’ll give you $100 if you take a shit on the pavement. He proceeds to shit on the pavement and grab the $100. He then tells the other economist: I’ll give you $100 if you eat my shit. The other does the deed and collects his $100. After walking a few more blocks, one of them says: both of us left our dignity with that work back there and neither of us are any richer! To which the other responds: no, but we grew our combined GDP to $200. And they both walked away happy, patting each other on their backs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The point is that we understand the actual paper has no value itself. It's the commitment of the government backing it that has the value. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teft@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago (8 children) Latinum is valuable because it can’t be replicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yes, but beyond its scarcity, what other purpose does it have? Lots of things are rare and can't be replicated, but their value comes from the need to use them for some purpose such the ability to build other things that you wouldn't be able to build otherwise. Latinum has never been shown as anything more than a currency with nothing behind it to give it value. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (6 children) What value does gold have other than it doesn’t rust and it looks pretty? It’s the same thing essentially. Latinum looks pretty and can’t be replicated therefore it’s a good currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) Gold is used in a variety of applications. You're likely holding a device filled with gold right now. Even before the computer revolution, is was still used in medical applications. There are tons of uses for gold that don't involve currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes it does have applications nowadays but when gold was used as a monetary store we didn’t have electronics. Gold was mainly used because it is shiny, easily workable, rare, and never corroded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It was shiny, easily workable, and didn't turn your skin green. As a jewelry metal, it was much more valuable than as a currency. It had uses other than just money... permalink fedilink source parent [–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The microgram of gold in my phone pales in comparison to the gold used in jewellery or hoarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yes, but again even by your own admission, it has uses other than just currency. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You missed a big advantage of gold: for most of human history, gold was the densest material known to man by a wide margin, making it very easy to verify that a piece of purported gold is real. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Guildo@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Irrelevant, but it still exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) When everyone has unlimited access to stuff, one person wanting more does not deprive others of anything so it does not matter if it exists. IE: In a post scarcity society, greed becomes irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Guildo@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it still exists - even in Star Trek permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You’re arguing against a straw man. They never said it ceases to exist, only that it’s irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent [–] negativenull@startrek.website 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rule of Acquisition #1: Once you have their money, you never give it back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago That's it back in the wormhole with you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 27 points 2 years ago (27 children) In a post scarcity society, greed becomes irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 27 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 49 points 2 years ago This man doesn’t have the lobes for business. permalink fedilink source parent [–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago If you can't create artificial demand in a utopian society, what kind of Ferangi are you? permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) Post-scarcity societies are good for business. Rule of Acquisition #74. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Rule #74 is Knowledge equals profit. Are you reading some pirated copy of the rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) Don't give Hu-Mons the actual Rules of Acquisition. Rule of Acquisition #23. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I see this is actually the Grand Nagus’ account. I’m sorry Grand Nagus. My apologies. permalink fedilink source parent [+] n3m37h@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (15 children) Define "post-scarcity". You can't replicate everything (without programmable matter, anyways...), and some raw materials are needed to build the replicators. And latinum is a rare commodity, though I don't know why it's so value beyond its scarcity. Greed will always be there as long as some things remain scarce yet required for a functioning society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children) Latinum is only valuable outside of the Federation, where societies are not post-scarcity. Now, before you argue that there are no material conditions demanding scarcity in (some of) them, I’ll add that artificial scarcity is scarcity nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) In societies outside the Federation, where they don't have replicators, things have value due to being able to use them for other purposes. Latinum has never been shown to be used for any other purpose except to trade. Its not clear why a useless material is considered valuable, except for the fact that its rare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) Says a huh-man that uses paper to trade... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That paper is at least backed by the GDP of my country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) That reminds me of that joke: Two economists are walking side-by-side. One tells the other: I’ll give you $100 if you take a shit on the pavement. He proceeds to shit on the pavement and grab the $100. He then tells the other economist: I’ll give you $100 if you eat my shit. The other does the deed and collects his $100. After walking a few more blocks, one of them says: both of us left our dignity with that work back there and neither of us are any richer! To which the other responds: no, but we grew our combined GDP to $200. And they both walked away happy, patting each other on their backs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The point is that we understand the actual paper has no value itself. It's the commitment of the government backing it that has the value. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teft@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago (8 children) Latinum is valuable because it can’t be replicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yes, but beyond its scarcity, what other purpose does it have? Lots of things are rare and can't be replicated, but their value comes from the need to use them for some purpose such the ability to build other things that you wouldn't be able to build otherwise. Latinum has never been shown as anything more than a currency with nothing behind it to give it value. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (6 children) What value does gold have other than it doesn’t rust and it looks pretty? It’s the same thing essentially. Latinum looks pretty and can’t be replicated therefore it’s a good currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) Gold is used in a variety of applications. You're likely holding a device filled with gold right now. Even before the computer revolution, is was still used in medical applications. There are tons of uses for gold that don't involve currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes it does have applications nowadays but when gold was used as a monetary store we didn’t have electronics. Gold was mainly used because it is shiny, easily workable, rare, and never corroded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It was shiny, easily workable, and didn't turn your skin green. As a jewelry metal, it was much more valuable than as a currency. It had uses other than just money... permalink fedilink source parent [–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The microgram of gold in my phone pales in comparison to the gold used in jewellery or hoarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yes, but again even by your own admission, it has uses other than just currency. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You missed a big advantage of gold: for most of human history, gold was the densest material known to man by a wide margin, making it very easy to verify that a piece of purported gold is real. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Guildo@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Irrelevant, but it still exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) When everyone has unlimited access to stuff, one person wanting more does not deprive others of anything so it does not matter if it exists. IE: In a post scarcity society, greed becomes irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Guildo@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it still exists - even in Star Trek permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You’re arguing against a straw man. They never said it ceases to exist, only that it’s irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@startrek.website 49 points 2 years ago This man doesn’t have the lobes for business. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago If you can't create artificial demand in a utopian society, what kind of Ferangi are you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (4 children) Post-scarcity societies are good for business. Rule of Acquisition #74. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Rule #74 is Knowledge equals profit. Are you reading some pirated copy of the rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) Don't give Hu-Mons the actual Rules of Acquisition. Rule of Acquisition #23. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I see this is actually the Grand Nagus’ account. I’m sorry Grand Nagus. My apologies. permalink fedilink source parent [+] n3m37h@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* (3 children) Rule #74 is Knowledge equals profit. Are you reading some pirated copy of the rules? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) Don't give Hu-Mons the actual Rules of Acquisition. Rule of Acquisition #23. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I see this is actually the Grand Nagus’ account. I’m sorry Grand Nagus. My apologies. permalink fedilink source parent [+] n3m37h@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) Don't give Hu-Mons the actual Rules of Acquisition. Rule of Acquisition #23. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I see this is actually the Grand Nagus’ account. I’m sorry Grand Nagus. My apologies. permalink fedilink source parent [+] n3m37h@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I see this is actually the Grand Nagus’ account. I’m sorry Grand Nagus. My apologies. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] n3m37h@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (15 children) Define "post-scarcity". You can't replicate everything (without programmable matter, anyways...), and some raw materials are needed to build the replicators. And latinum is a rare commodity, though I don't know why it's so value beyond its scarcity. Greed will always be there as long as some things remain scarce yet required for a functioning society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children) Latinum is only valuable outside of the Federation, where societies are not post-scarcity. Now, before you argue that there are no material conditions demanding scarcity in (some of) them, I’ll add that artificial scarcity is scarcity nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) In societies outside the Federation, where they don't have replicators, things have value due to being able to use them for other purposes. Latinum has never been shown to be used for any other purpose except to trade. Its not clear why a useless material is considered valuable, except for the fact that its rare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) Says a huh-man that uses paper to trade... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That paper is at least backed by the GDP of my country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) That reminds me of that joke: Two economists are walking side-by-side. One tells the other: I’ll give you $100 if you take a shit on the pavement. He proceeds to shit on the pavement and grab the $100. He then tells the other economist: I’ll give you $100 if you eat my shit. The other does the deed and collects his $100. After walking a few more blocks, one of them says: both of us left our dignity with that work back there and neither of us are any richer! To which the other responds: no, but we grew our combined GDP to $200. And they both walked away happy, patting each other on their backs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The point is that we understand the actual paper has no value itself. It's the commitment of the government backing it that has the value. permalink fedilink source parent [–] teft@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago (8 children) Latinum is valuable because it can’t be replicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yes, but beyond its scarcity, what other purpose does it have? Lots of things are rare and can't be replicated, but their value comes from the need to use them for some purpose such the ability to build other things that you wouldn't be able to build otherwise. Latinum has never been shown as anything more than a currency with nothing behind it to give it value. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (6 children) What value does gold have other than it doesn’t rust and it looks pretty? It’s the same thing essentially. Latinum looks pretty and can’t be replicated therefore it’s a good currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) Gold is used in a variety of applications. You're likely holding a device filled with gold right now. Even before the computer revolution, is was still used in medical applications. There are tons of uses for gold that don't involve currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes it does have applications nowadays but when gold was used as a monetary store we didn’t have electronics. Gold was mainly used because it is shiny, easily workable, rare, and never corroded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It was shiny, easily workable, and didn't turn your skin green. As a jewelry metal, it was much more valuable than as a currency. It had uses other than just money... permalink fedilink source parent [–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The microgram of gold in my phone pales in comparison to the gold used in jewellery or hoarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yes, but again even by your own admission, it has uses other than just currency. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You missed a big advantage of gold: for most of human history, gold was the densest material known to man by a wide margin, making it very easy to verify that a piece of purported gold is real. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c10l@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (5 children) Latinum is only valuable outside of the Federation, where societies are not post-scarcity. Now, before you argue that there are no material conditions demanding scarcity in (some of) them, I’ll add that artificial scarcity is scarcity nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) In societies outside the Federation, where they don't have replicators, things have value due to being able to use them for other purposes. Latinum has never been shown to be used for any other purpose except to trade. Its not clear why a useless material is considered valuable, except for the fact that its rare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) Says a huh-man that uses paper to trade... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That paper is at least backed by the GDP of my country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) That reminds me of that joke: Two economists are walking side-by-side. One tells the other: I’ll give you $100 if you take a shit on the pavement. He proceeds to shit on the pavement and grab the $100. He then tells the other economist: I’ll give you $100 if you eat my shit. The other does the deed and collects his $100. After walking a few more blocks, one of them says: both of us left our dignity with that work back there and neither of us are any richer! To which the other responds: no, but we grew our combined GDP to $200. And they both walked away happy, patting each other on their backs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The point is that we understand the actual paper has no value itself. It's the commitment of the government backing it that has the value. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) In societies outside the Federation, where they don't have replicators, things have value due to being able to use them for other purposes. Latinum has never been shown to be used for any other purpose except to trade. Its not clear why a useless material is considered valuable, except for the fact that its rare. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) Says a huh-man that uses paper to trade... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That paper is at least backed by the GDP of my country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) That reminds me of that joke: Two economists are walking side-by-side. One tells the other: I’ll give you $100 if you take a shit on the pavement. He proceeds to shit on the pavement and grab the $100. He then tells the other economist: I’ll give you $100 if you eat my shit. The other does the deed and collects his $100. After walking a few more blocks, one of them says: both of us left our dignity with that work back there and neither of us are any richer! To which the other responds: no, but we grew our combined GDP to $200. And they both walked away happy, patting each other on their backs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The point is that we understand the actual paper has no value itself. It's the commitment of the government backing it that has the value. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) Says a huh-man that uses paper to trade... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That paper is at least backed by the GDP of my country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) That reminds me of that joke: Two economists are walking side-by-side. One tells the other: I’ll give you $100 if you take a shit on the pavement. He proceeds to shit on the pavement and grab the $100. He then tells the other economist: I’ll give you $100 if you eat my shit. The other does the deed and collects his $100. After walking a few more blocks, one of them says: both of us left our dignity with that work back there and neither of us are any richer! To which the other responds: no, but we grew our combined GDP to $200. And they both walked away happy, patting each other on their backs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The point is that we understand the actual paper has no value itself. It's the commitment of the government backing it that has the value. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That paper is at least backed by the GDP of my country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) That reminds me of that joke: Two economists are walking side-by-side. One tells the other: I’ll give you $100 if you take a shit on the pavement. He proceeds to shit on the pavement and grab the $100. He then tells the other economist: I’ll give you $100 if you eat my shit. The other does the deed and collects his $100. After walking a few more blocks, one of them says: both of us left our dignity with that work back there and neither of us are any richer! To which the other responds: no, but we grew our combined GDP to $200. And they both walked away happy, patting each other on their backs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The point is that we understand the actual paper has no value itself. It's the commitment of the government backing it that has the value. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c10l@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) That reminds me of that joke: Two economists are walking side-by-side. One tells the other: I’ll give you $100 if you take a shit on the pavement. He proceeds to shit on the pavement and grab the $100. He then tells the other economist: I’ll give you $100 if you eat my shit. The other does the deed and collects his $100. After walking a few more blocks, one of them says: both of us left our dignity with that work back there and neither of us are any richer! To which the other responds: no, but we grew our combined GDP to $200. And they both walked away happy, patting each other on their backs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The point is that we understand the actual paper has no value itself. It's the commitment of the government backing it that has the value. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago The point is that we understand the actual paper has no value itself. It's the commitment of the government backing it that has the value. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@startrek.website 5 points 2 years ago (8 children) Latinum is valuable because it can’t be replicated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yes, but beyond its scarcity, what other purpose does it have? Lots of things are rare and can't be replicated, but their value comes from the need to use them for some purpose such the ability to build other things that you wouldn't be able to build otherwise. Latinum has never been shown as anything more than a currency with nothing behind it to give it value. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (6 children) What value does gold have other than it doesn’t rust and it looks pretty? It’s the same thing essentially. Latinum looks pretty and can’t be replicated therefore it’s a good currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) Gold is used in a variety of applications. You're likely holding a device filled with gold right now. Even before the computer revolution, is was still used in medical applications. There are tons of uses for gold that don't involve currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes it does have applications nowadays but when gold was used as a monetary store we didn’t have electronics. Gold was mainly used because it is shiny, easily workable, rare, and never corroded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It was shiny, easily workable, and didn't turn your skin green. As a jewelry metal, it was much more valuable than as a currency. It had uses other than just money... permalink fedilink source parent [–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The microgram of gold in my phone pales in comparison to the gold used in jewellery or hoarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yes, but again even by your own admission, it has uses other than just currency. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You missed a big advantage of gold: for most of human history, gold was the densest material known to man by a wide margin, making it very easy to verify that a piece of purported gold is real. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (7 children) Yes, but beyond its scarcity, what other purpose does it have? Lots of things are rare and can't be replicated, but their value comes from the need to use them for some purpose such the ability to build other things that you wouldn't be able to build otherwise. Latinum has never been shown as anything more than a currency with nothing behind it to give it value. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (6 children) What value does gold have other than it doesn’t rust and it looks pretty? It’s the same thing essentially. Latinum looks pretty and can’t be replicated therefore it’s a good currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) Gold is used in a variety of applications. You're likely holding a device filled with gold right now. Even before the computer revolution, is was still used in medical applications. There are tons of uses for gold that don't involve currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes it does have applications nowadays but when gold was used as a monetary store we didn’t have electronics. Gold was mainly used because it is shiny, easily workable, rare, and never corroded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It was shiny, easily workable, and didn't turn your skin green. As a jewelry metal, it was much more valuable than as a currency. It had uses other than just money... permalink fedilink source parent [–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The microgram of gold in my phone pales in comparison to the gold used in jewellery or hoarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yes, but again even by your own admission, it has uses other than just currency. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You missed a big advantage of gold: for most of human history, gold was the densest material known to man by a wide margin, making it very easy to verify that a piece of purported gold is real. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago (6 children) What value does gold have other than it doesn’t rust and it looks pretty? It’s the same thing essentially. Latinum looks pretty and can’t be replicated therefore it’s a good currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) Gold is used in a variety of applications. You're likely holding a device filled with gold right now. Even before the computer revolution, is was still used in medical applications. There are tons of uses for gold that don't involve currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes it does have applications nowadays but when gold was used as a monetary store we didn’t have electronics. Gold was mainly used because it is shiny, easily workable, rare, and never corroded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It was shiny, easily workable, and didn't turn your skin green. As a jewelry metal, it was much more valuable than as a currency. It had uses other than just money... permalink fedilink source parent [–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The microgram of gold in my phone pales in comparison to the gold used in jewellery or hoarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yes, but again even by your own admission, it has uses other than just currency. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You missed a big advantage of gold: for most of human history, gold was the densest material known to man by a wide margin, making it very easy to verify that a piece of purported gold is real. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (4 children) Gold is used in a variety of applications. You're likely holding a device filled with gold right now. Even before the computer revolution, is was still used in medical applications. There are tons of uses for gold that don't involve currency. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] teft@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes it does have applications nowadays but when gold was used as a monetary store we didn’t have electronics. Gold was mainly used because it is shiny, easily workable, rare, and never corroded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It was shiny, easily workable, and didn't turn your skin green. As a jewelry metal, it was much more valuable than as a currency. It had uses other than just money... permalink fedilink source parent [–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The microgram of gold in my phone pales in comparison to the gold used in jewellery or hoarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yes, but again even by your own admission, it has uses other than just currency. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] teft@startrek.website 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes it does have applications nowadays but when gold was used as a monetary store we didn’t have electronics. Gold was mainly used because it is shiny, easily workable, rare, and never corroded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It was shiny, easily workable, and didn't turn your skin green. As a jewelry metal, it was much more valuable than as a currency. It had uses other than just money... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago It was shiny, easily workable, and didn't turn your skin green. As a jewelry metal, it was much more valuable than as a currency. It had uses other than just money... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The microgram of gold in my phone pales in comparison to the gold used in jewellery or hoarded. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yes, but again even by your own admission, it has uses other than just currency. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago Yes, but again even by your own admission, it has uses other than just currency. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) You missed a big advantage of gold: for most of human history, gold was the densest material known to man by a wide margin, making it very easy to verify that a piece of purported gold is real. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Guildo@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Irrelevant, but it still exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) When everyone has unlimited access to stuff, one person wanting more does not deprive others of anything so it does not matter if it exists. IE: In a post scarcity society, greed becomes irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Guildo@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it still exists - even in Star Trek permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You’re arguing against a straw man. They never said it ceases to exist, only that it’s irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) When everyone has unlimited access to stuff, one person wanting more does not deprive others of anything so it does not matter if it exists. IE: In a post scarcity society, greed becomes irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Guildo@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it still exists - even in Star Trek permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You’re arguing against a straw man. They never said it ceases to exist, only that it’s irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Guildo@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) but it still exists - even in Star Trek permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] c10l@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You’re arguing against a straw man. They never said it ceases to exist, only that it’s irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] c10l@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago You’re arguing against a straw man. They never said it ceases to exist, only that it’s irrelevant. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] negativenull@startrek.website 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) Rule of Acquisition #1: Once you have their money, you never give it back. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago That's it back in the wormhole with you permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago That's it back in the wormhole with you permalink fedilink source parent