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Is there any more info here? They just kinda say that the numbers are wrong and the real numbers are higher but then fail to state why the numbers are wrong and where these “real” numbers are coming from. It would be great if 2022 had a 60+% rate but where is that number coming from? And why are the reported numbers that different? Is it a methodological difference? The only info they give is “their processes suck and are biased” for why they’re “wrong” and then “our numbers are better” for why their numbers are right.
On top of that, the linked source is more of the same and seems to be completely based on semantics - “the FBI doesn’t count shootings done with other crimes as mass shootings”. Of course they don’t. If the primary crime isn’t the shooting, why would they? The shootings are notable because the shooting is the point of the incident.
Kind of a terrible article.
What you just posted doesn’t answer the question. The errors in question in the source say there were only 5 errors that weren’t corrected. That doesn’t change these statistics in the way they’re claiming.
Again, you’re not answering the question… either you’re being dishonest or intentionally obtuse here.
How is that the “correct” rate? What defines what is correct and what isn’t and why? If it’s incorrect, why is the FBI reporting that number? According to the article’s source that’s linked at the top, this economist (no idea why I should be taking data and crime reporting info from an economist) is saying it’s wrong because he has a semantic disagreement with the FBI on why incidents where the shooting is not the primary crime are not considered “mass shootings”. It’s a bit disingenuous.
Got it… so you don’t know and don’t even understand the article yourself. You keep posting the same thing. There’s no answer to the question. So that means you’re just dishonest. If it’s “all in the article”, it should be easy for you to quote the answer to the question I’m asking.
If you say the number is 4 and I say “you’re wrong, it’s 10” and don’t offer any explanation or evidence, then what makes my claim more accurate than yours? This is what’s happening here.
Edit: From your latest link: “Instead, the FBI lists this attack as being stopped by a security guard. A parishioner, who had volunteered to provide security during worship, fatally shot the perpetrator. That man, Jack Wilson, told Dr. John Lott that he was not a security professional.” So, as I said… dishonest semantics. In other words, this whole story is just a matter of redefining a word dishonestly and then criticizing the FBI for not following his new definition rather than the one that’s been used for decades.
You clearly don’t if you can’t answer a simple question. You did not cite what I asked. You just quoted the part of the article where the guy says the FBI is wrong without pointing out why they’re wrong which is what my question was. And the “data” that they’re including is not at all data supportive of their conclusions. They’re merely redefining the definition of a shooting (dishonestly, I may add) and then feigning outrage that the FBI’s data doesn’t match theirs (because, spoiler alert, the FBI doesn’t define it the same way).
I can read and interpret data just fine. It’s my job to do so. You didn’t even look at the data, don’t understand the methodology, and can’t explain it or even answer a simple question about it. You’re a dishonest person who is afraid of their own shadow.
No, you didn’t. Where did you send anything that explains the methodology and difference between how the FBI is getting their counts versus where these jokers are getting their counts? Your avoidance of just providing an answer speaks volumes to the point it’s deafening. You’re a dishonest person who is trying to push something that you don’t have evidence for and are ignoring the questions being asked and the issues being pointed out.
Again with the lies. If you can’t answer a simple question and just keep telling others that they need to do the job of debunking your claims then you’re dishonest. On top of that, you keep parroting the line that “it’s so easy” and “it’s right there” and yet refuse to just cite one statement that shows what is being asked for. Claims without evidence can be just as easily ignored without evidence.
No one cares about your stance or whether you “stayed” it or not, whatever that means. We just want you to explain the information you posted that you claim contains something it doesn’t.
My job is data analysis. Yours clearly isn’t.
Are you? My “rant” makes perfect sense. You’re just being dishonest and intentionally obtuse to make it seem like your links have something that they don’t. I don’t take kindly to dishonest people who claim to want to discuss things in bad faith.
Assume for 2 seconds that I’m a completely vacuous moron like you are and explain to me the answer to the question. I’ve already told you that I cannot find what you are claiming in your sources and yet you insist that it is. That’s like telling a blind person “Look right there! There it is!” If your bullshit actually said what you claim, it would take a second for you to just copy and paste rather than continually putting the onus on me and everyone else in these comments to find the information that supposedly validates your claim that the details of their methodology and the explanations of their data are there. If they really were, you would have pointed it out to further the discussion since that’s what you claim to want, right?
On top of that, you start with the personal attacks and this putrid condescension in every single one of your replies to every single person here and then you have the gall to criticize me for personally attacking you. Saying empty meaningless shit like “be an adult” just makes you look like a hypocritical liar since an actual adult would say meaningful things that further the discussion, provide evidence that supports their claims, and admit to deficiencies in the information provided. You’ve done none of the above.
Your stance isn’t relevant because no one cares about it. I haven’t lied about it because I haven’t inferred any stance that you have. You just made that up. My entire issue here is that the article you provided, and the sources that that article cites, make claims that are unsubstantiated and unsupported by the “evidence” they’re providing. Anything outside of that is a delusion that you’ve made up. I’m not asking you to defend a straw man. I’m asking you to specifically point out the part of the article that supports your claim that they explain the differences between the two numbers. They don’t so you can’t provide that but are pretending like it is there and everyone else is just a moron like you.
If you could read at all, you’d see that “we” is everyone in these comments pointing out the same unsubstantiated claims and downvoting your responses because they’re total horseshit.
I did read the article and I had questions about it that you refuse to answer. My rant makes sense to anyone with half a brain. That’s why you’re arguing with multiple people who are all saying the same things about you. The only thing evident here is that you are a dishonest person with mental issues and denial problems.
Right… all these usernames that have responded to your post are all my alts. You’re deluded.