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Transgender players banned from international women’s cricket by ICC (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The International Cricket Council has become the latest sports body to ban transgender players from the elite women’s game if they have gone through male puberty.

The ICC said it had taken the decision, following an extensive scientific review and nine-month consultation, to “protect the integrity of the international women’s game and the safety of players”.

It joins rugby union, swimming, cycling, athletics and rugby league, who have all gone down a similar path in recent years after citing concerns over fairness or safety.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Hej, I‘ve seen quite a few comments using weird expressions to refer to trans women here, so to clarify, a trans woman is not:

a scientific male (trans women are scientifically women)
a biologically born male (Biologically born? Yes. Male? No.)
a biological male (as, usually, biological markers such as anatomy, hormone levels, chromosomes and behavior in trans women are ambiguous)

A trans woman is:

a woman (female) who was assigned male at birth
often, but not always, a person who has gone through testosterone puberty, but identifies as female

Just use the words trans woman and cis woman, it‘s concise, correct and respectful. I‘m not saying that there are no differences between trans women and cis women, but simply that trans women are women. If you disagree with that, go watch ContraPoints or PhilosophyTube.

Consequently, the international cricket council should call it the elite cis women‘s game from now on, that would just be consistent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I agree with much of what you said but have to nit-pick a part that I found confusing.

trans women are women

And cis women are cis women?

Comes off as if an afab person, who has always referred to herself as simply "woman" now has to refer to herself as "cis woman" to be exact, whereas trans women have now adopted "woman"

I'm a guy, and I'd be pretty irritated if people suddenly started insisting that I not refer to myself as "guy" anymore, because trans guys are now "guys" so they get my old title but now I have to specifically state that I'm a "cis guy" everywhere..

Like why would I have to give up my title? It's one thing for them to adopt it as well, not like I mind, more the merrier! But why am I having to change my title when I've been the same all along?

It's like if people began changing cats into dogs, and claiming the name "cat" for the former dogs. Cool, do what you will, but then they tell me that my "cats" aren't "cats" anymore, they're cis-cats and I must refer to them as such. Why? They've always been cats to everyone? How you gonna tell me that you get the name "cats" but my lifelong "cats" are now something else?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Trans women are women, and cis women are women. Simple. No one is "taking" someone else's name.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Last comment stated international women's cricket should be renamed international cis women's cricket 🤔 because women who experienced testosterone puberty are excluded

Whereas a group of TW playing football can 100% use "Women's football league" Even if the league is 100 trans women and cis women are excluded

That's all I'm saying, how's that not taking a title? Not saying this with any malice, hope that's clear I've no dog in this race other than supporting everyone but that's weird to me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

... But where is that women's football league that excludes cis women while still calling itself "[just] women's football"?

Whereas we already have many women's leagues in sports that exclude trans women.

So if it's actually happening, then sure I'll agree to calling it "taking a title" and honestly be against it; imo it sets the fight for trans rights back if we use "woman" exclusively for trans women and cis women only ever get called "cis women". But again, where is that happening? Who is calling for that?

I only ever see people claiming that cis women should have exclusive use of the word "women", not the other way around. Which is just another way of arguing that trans women "aren't really women"...

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