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What do you see as the practical benefits of supporting fascism? If we were back at the last election you would have voted for genocide.
It's not that it hurts me personally, it hurts the working class of your country. I already put in efforts to build socialism.
Technically speaking, between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, I don't think that there would be a difference in their policy towards Palistine. Thus, your actions via voting have 0 impact on genocide. In America, one can't not choose fascism. No vote => fascism. Vote red => fascism. Vote blue => fascism. There are some small particular differences between red and blue. Team red explicitly wants sexual minorities to suffer. Team blue does not. Team red wants to ban books. Team blue does not. There are some small differences. You can choose to vote to influence the result if you are in the part of the country that the funhouse mirror of the US election system cares about.
You can vote on the small differences to slow down even worse harm that the state will do to the people domestically. Those small differences seem to be diminishing each election cycle. Unionizing, educating people on how capitalism works, protesting, , all can push socialism more effectively, I don't dispute it.
I don't see how voting hurts the working class as a whole. Between the choice of voting vs not voting, can you tell me based on material results, how voting is a worse choice than not voting? In many cases I'd understand the explanation its a waste of time for someone because of their location is heavily weighted towards team red or blue already. The working class is screwed regardless of voting vs not voting. In those cases the material difference between voting and not voting is the feeling of the individual voter. Thus I say that the only real reason not to vote is because of one's feelings. However if one is in a place that the system cares about, one can vote for the least awful option for the small material differences between red and blue.
That is my understanding. The real reason not to vote is because the only real difference is likely that the cost of how bad it makes you feel outweighs what you understand the very minor positive results of your actions (and in many cases no change at all). I'm just saying don't deny it is about your feelings. Where is my logic faulty?
You do that by not voting for it.
Yes but not with your support.
Not voting doesn't cost you your morality. Voting to support fascism makes you a fascist enabler. Complaining that you're a willing hostage doesn't cut it or give you any ethical excuse.
You're gambling that you think you know which is worse. You got it wrong last time, Biden's genocide proves that even if his war in Ukraine didn't already. And now you want to gamble again, betting your soul on it.
The whole "justifying the support of genocides abroad" because it might alleviate the suffering of a tiny sliver of a percentage of Americans, who are 4% of the world part. i guess American ~~lives~~ comfort ~~are~~ is more important.
" No vote => fascism.
Yes but not with your support."
What does this "support" actually do? I'm saying it is nearly worthless in the positive direction to vote for the blue team. You are saying how voting for blue team is worse than not voting at all without substantiating it.