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Thanks for showing you don't know anything about me. I think Netanyahu is a fascist executing a genocide. I just also understand that the electoral system is currently designed to make it impossible for independent candidates to get into the white house. Fuck Biden, fuck Trump. But those will be the only real options.
The way to dismantle a first past the post voting system (by voting) is to not vote for either of the current choices. Obviously in addition the voting system should be reformed, by other means. But in the meantime, not voting for the current two options is the LEAST you can do.
This has to be the dumbest take I've read in a LONG time.
Like yeah, those in power are going to say "oh my, people are throwing their votes away and helping me solidify my grasp? Oh dangit, I've been foiled!"
Goodness gracious you silly goof.
Fun fact. If "those in power" do not get voted for because people didn't vote for them, then they don't get to do shit anymore because they are no longer "in power." One of the parties will collapse, and a new one will take it's place because that is how first past the post has to work. The only thing you have to do is vote for anyone but the two parties that are the current top2. That's it. It's easy, it costs you nothing.
So, all you need for your plan to work is to coordinate some 100 million folks to agree on a third party and vote on it. You see nothing nonsensical about this plan?
Everyone is dumber for having read your scribbles.
No. Just stop voting for the current two parties. That's it. No other coordination. It's the least you can do.
It's always funny to see how liberals won't do the barest of minimum things with the meager amount of power they are granted.
That's even dumber! Are you just jerking my chain?
In a fptp system, winner takes all. So now your plan is that all those people miraculously outvote both of the dominant parties?
This is starting to feel like I'm bullying a kid with developmental disabilities so I I'm done here.
Have a good night.
Yeah, there seems to be a handful of these folks spreading the exact same "vote third party" baloney, exact same talking points (genocide, Biden old, etc). They all started appearing at the same time. I'm sure that's totally a coincidence though.
How would that dismantle the system? Like literally how? Are you just trolling or do you seriously believe that?
Problem: We have a broken voting system that two entrenched parties benefit from.
Solution: Continue to vote for the entrenched parties? That doesn't sound right. Maybe try something else?
The solution is to keep some people from setting the ship on fire for a few more years, while we build lifeboat communities with alternate care systems so that we can withdraw our money and labor from the sinking ship system in a more gradual way that minimizes global and local pain and suffering and death.
People like you have been trying that since Carter. Stop supporting fascism and genocide at the ballot box. It's the least you can do.
Work for ranked choice voting. That's the only way.
What work can we do to get that system? We aren't allowed to vote for it and neither party is interested in more competition. French-style protests might work, but our list of grievances is so long. We'd have to unite under something big...it just all feels like a long shot for our society.
Ranked choice has been put into place in some states for some elections.
Worth plugging into what some orgs are doing like fair vote
https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/
I very much disagree. We need to create public pressure to force politicians to choose a multipolar electoral system and vote for people that want to change the electoral system to be more democratic. Not voting as a protest doesn't create any incentive to change the system. Voting is the least effective means of change, but it's also the easiest means of change.
Voting for someone besides the current top two IS creating public pressure. what else would you call it?
I'm not talking about voting for public pressure. I'm talking about community organizing, protests, calling legislators, creating draft bills, etc. Civic engagement goes far beyond voting. I'm never going to discourage people from voting for their preferred candidate, but voting for independent candidates is not public pressure.
I agree, which is why not voting for the current two parties is the least you can do. Absolutely do other non-voting stuff too. But for voting, do not vote for the current two parties. Simple.