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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Even completely ignoring all the history of the region and how the current State of Israel came to be and only focusing on the present in a vacuum, there is still is a glaring contradiction that I have never heard any sort of coherent answer from people who support Israel’s actions: If you truly believe that simply having a negative opinion of Israel’s actions against Palestinians is antisemitic (or simply being a Palestinian that’s still alive is antisemitic according to too many people), then surely it also holds that both Israel’s outright killing of Palestinians and their ongoing apartheid policies preventing Palestinians from existing in the same areas as Israelis is anti-Arab right? Is being anti-Arabic somehow preferable to being antisemitic? Are Arabs not human beings and do they not deserve the same rights and protection as Jews or literally any other human? What makes it okay for Israel to be anti-Arab then?

One of the half baked arguments I have heard is that Israel is "justified" in being anti-Arabic because "it's in self defense against Palestinians that want to kill them," but if you make that assertion, then what makes the other side different? Israel is certainly not just attacking the Hamas and there have been more Palestinian civilian victims than Israeli civilian victims so wouldn't you saying that also automatically imply the inverse and equally justify the Hamas' actions against Israel? You can't attack someone while claiming self defense and then cry foul when they defend themselves against you. Oh wait sorry that's whataboutism isn't it? My bad.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not wanting to think about white supremecy.

Its also about never wanting to understand things objectively in even a partial manner.

In their twisted world view:

When our enemies do it, this heinous action was done in pursuit of evil to make the world a worse off place. When our allies do it, they really wouldn't have tried this horrible action unless they exhausted all other options.

The scale of atrocities committed by our allies is a morally neutral issue. When there are brown people dying they probably wanted to kill the perfectly innocent white people shooting at them. It truly is a tragedy every time a white person is killed by a brown person. Whereas brown people are not killed, they merely die of natural causes like a white person shooting them.

This is the epistemology of fascism. The banality of tolerance for senseless violence. The strange twisted lens to know about violence but never acknowlege the horror of it all.

. . . . There were times that I thought that the scale of the violence redeems it of its horrid quality. I thought that is what these liberals think. Its a horrible thing when some individual slaughters 15-20 people in a school/work shooting. It probably peaks in the thousands for what a small terrorist organization is capable of, then how horrible it gets less awful once it approaches the millions, then I learned about what they thought of communism and dismissed this theory.

I've heard some of these liberals actually justify it in that goodness is proportional to wealth. If those that lie cheat and steal become the wealthiest, then the greatest virtue is to rob them till they are disposessed of everything that they own. Once one possesses nothing, their life means nothing. I understand the values of these wreched capitalists.