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I don't care what you said, I wasn't replying to you. I did not say Warhol deserves any awe, praise or respect, but I am shitting on the people blindly reacting that it isn't art and the commenters like you who smear better-informed opinions as Warhol fanboys. I think he was a talentless hack who had one good idea, beat it to death in the classic capitalist way, and kept making terrible movies long after he should have packed up. There's my analysis. It's better than these:
These are the ideas you two are defending.
Pinging @VILenin since I don't feel like writing two comments and yours is what I was responding to. It's totally cool to think that Warhol is bad art, but this comment goes way beyond that:
It's not a coincidence that people familiar with pop art are able to identify one or more possible meanings for these boxes, and people with 0 context are unable to identify any meaning at all. Art 101 is not brainwashing them to have an objectively correct interpretation, it is giving them the basic conceptual tools to draw their own conclusions.
In this thread I have argued against these knee-jerk "not art"s. I'm not asking them to get a special Art 101 certificate that licenses them to share their opinion, I'm asking them to go learn what the hell they're talking about so that they can even begin to form coherent opinions. These people don't even know what the art in question is, multiple commenters think the Warhol piece art is real boxes stacked in a certain way. They have questions that can be answered by a Wikipedia page. They are pitching half-formed ideas that art has to be pretty, or make you feel a certain way, or involve great technical skill, completely unaware of existing conversation about it. It's like if somebody on the street decided to invent utilitarianism from first principles. Discussing "what is art" is primarily a pursuit of non-artists and non-critics, just as much as discussion of "what if a computer could feel" is a pastime of non-programmers and non-philosophers. The most asinine rehashing of undeveloped and contradictory ideas, forever. This is what you are defending.
You're shitting on them by blindly reacting on them shitting.
Lots of people that don't like a specific piece of art may call it "not art" as a subjective take.
Shitting on them because they don't like it and went far enough to say that it wasn't art to them is tiresome self serving snobbery to me, even if I disagree with them and do think something can be art even if one doesn't like it.
I'd rather defend well meaning comrades that happen to not like the pretentious and bleak "the artist is better than you, everything that comes after him owes him for its existence and even your dislike of his work is part of his master plan, dance puppets dance" messaging of the rich fed-subsidized asshole even if they aren't academically correct in how they say they dislike it, rather than knee-jerk defend the pompous hypocritical elitism of Andy Warhol and his now-establishment status quo fandom.