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[–] 22 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Do people think Hamas wouldn't hide in a hospital? Theyve proved many times civilians aren't a concern

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  • [–] 80 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Do people think that there can't be two bad guys in a story? This isn't a good vs evil fight.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It truly is a wonder some can't think that far

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    Really disappoints me.

    In some ways, this might reflect the futility of multi party systems. At the end of the day, coalitions of multiple groups are still split into two camps of government and opposition. We have to stop seeing every conflict as us vs them.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    So, that justifies killing civilians?

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    no, that justifies invading a hospital

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Tbf you'd have to invade the hospital to clear out the Hamas fighters using it as a base, especially if they were forcing it on the hospital staff

    That or lay siege to it but uh... that'd be about as effective as issuing another round of sanctions on Iran at this point.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Ok, think it though. What happens when you bomb and invade a hospital filled with civilians?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    you think it through. what is the alternative?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You edited your previous comment. That's just bad form

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Prove that you didn't edit your comment

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  • [+] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)
  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    To not kill babies and people in hospital care. Innocent life is never worth the victory, no matter what the propganda has told you.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    When you have time to get off your unicorn and enter the mortal realm where the rest of us live, please present to us a plan to solve this conflict that results in 0 dead kids. We are waiting, as is your Nobel peace prize.

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  • [+] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)
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    Anyone who supports murdering children is terrible. All the time. There's no excuse from anyone to support murdering children regardless of who they think might be hiding among them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    You think those babies were getting the medical help they needed? All the fuel and supplies being redirected to Hamas fighters and their control of the building making normal work impossible was killing kids - I bet they're much better off with it run by idf than Hamas.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think Hamas is hiding inside your house. What, do people think Hamas wouldn't hide inside your house?

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Do you consider that a good rebuttal. Truly a childish mind. Of course you can't comprehend complex situations

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hamas and Hezbollah are not the public of Palestine. So it raises the question if anybody cares. Netanyahu has made it clear to the rest of us he does not.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They look just like the public and fighting from where the public lives. What is Israel to do? Just accept getting massacred.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Does getting massacred justify massacring tenfold? I'm pretty sure the United States emmisaries had this very conversation with the state of Israel.

    The thing is, Hamas and Hesbollah see provoking Israel to disproportionate reprisal as a worthwhile gambit. They know Netanyahu is glad to enact genocide justified by retaliation to terror. But now the world will get to watch the horrors of war under Israeli jackboots. And it will be ugly, and the world may have opinions about the Israeli state doing ugly things. The general opinion from the international community is changing. Along with the US' unconditional support of a regional bully.

    There are better ways. But Israeli state has rejected all alternatives, and is glad to throw stormtroopers into the mix.

    And yes, the people of Israel, by a significant majority don't want an overkill response. They want a path towards peace. But the far right does like us vs. them dynamics to consolidate power. It's the same playbook Trump uses.

    I'm not an expert. I don't know how to fix this, but the experts were shown the door, so here we are. 👀

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Well that's war when you have superior firepower you're gonna get more kills.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    When Israel massacres civilians and massacres disproportionately, it then loses the peace. It also reveals its administration is too immature to deserve international support. The indiscriminate brutality of the IDF will reflect both on the the legitimacy of Israel and its allies, hence the conditions now added to US materiel support.

    I'm very glad you don't have any responsibility in this or any state affair.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    ok but if they're hiding in a hospital you dont need to bomb it? or do anything to it? hiding is not hurting anyone.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    For conflicts like this leadership that is planning attacks or otherwise leading forces that are doing attacking, simply existing anywhere outside a prison cell is threatening. Hamas leadership knows that, they're the ones putting hostpitals at risk by being there.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    right, but my point is, however inconvenient it is, we always have a choice not to bomb hospitals. People take human shields, you don't have to shoot through the human shields.

    Do I have all the answers? No, but people go to school for war. Surely this has come up before at some point in the last 20,000 years?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    You certainly should do your best to not shoot through human shields, agreed. But can it still sometimes be better to shoot through human shields if that's what it takes to get very dangerous people vs letting them escape and threaten again later? I don't know, it's a hard question.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    hiding is not hurting anyone.

    The assholes in the hospital are still shooting at the assholes outside the hospital. Though I still agree the assholes outside shouldn't be bombing it just to get at the assholes inside.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    Depends. Are they artillery spotters. Are they leadership trying to claim to be in a safe you can't tag me zone. Did they just momentarily hide their guns too. Ya gotta secure that shit one way or another otherwise you'll get another massacre.

    There are no good answers

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