▲ 1265 ▼ The state of the discourse. (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world to c/aboringdystopia@lemmy.world 444 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (3 children) So, that justifies killing civilians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) no, that justifies invading a hospital permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago Tbf you'd have to invade the hospital to clear out the Hamas fighters using it as a base, especially if they were forcing it on the hospital staff That or lay siege to it but uh... that'd be about as effective as issuing another round of sanctions on Iran at this point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ok, think it though. What happens when you bomb and invade a hospital filled with civilians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you think it through. what is the alternative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You edited your previous comment. That's just bad form permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) are you seeing things again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Prove that you didn't edit your comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) To not kill babies and people in hospital care. Innocent life is never worth the victory, no matter what the propganda has told you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) When you have time to get off your unicorn and enter the mortal realm where the rest of us live, please present to us a plan to solve this conflict that results in 0 dead kids. We are waiting, as is your Nobel peace prize. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago "We cannot guarantee children will not die so any suggestion we take actions to avoid it as much as possible are entirely unrealistic." permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago So because I don't have the solution to fix everything with a neat little bow on top kids should die? Nice permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Sure just tell the civilian dressed militants to not shoot from civilian populated areas. permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Anyone who supports murdering children is terrible. All the time. There's no excuse from anyone to support murdering children regardless of who they think might be hiding among them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're just looking to twist everything I say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago You think those babies were getting the medical help they needed? All the fuel and supplies being redirected to Hamas fighters and their control of the building making normal work impossible was killing kids - I bet they're much better off with it run by idf than Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago That's literally war. Become a general/propose a way to kill /apprehend people that look like civilians while hiding in civilian places permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) no, that justifies invading a hospital permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago Tbf you'd have to invade the hospital to clear out the Hamas fighters using it as a base, especially if they were forcing it on the hospital staff That or lay siege to it but uh... that'd be about as effective as issuing another round of sanctions on Iran at this point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ok, think it though. What happens when you bomb and invade a hospital filled with civilians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you think it through. what is the alternative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You edited your previous comment. That's just bad form permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) are you seeing things again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Prove that you didn't edit your comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago Tbf you'd have to invade the hospital to clear out the Hamas fighters using it as a base, especially if they were forcing it on the hospital staff That or lay siege to it but uh... that'd be about as effective as issuing another round of sanctions on Iran at this point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ok, think it though. What happens when you bomb and invade a hospital filled with civilians? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you think it through. what is the alternative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You edited your previous comment. That's just bad form permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) are you seeing things again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Prove that you didn't edit your comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) you think it through. what is the alternative? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You edited your previous comment. That's just bad form permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) are you seeing things again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Prove that you didn't edit your comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) You edited your previous comment. That's just bad form permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) are you seeing things again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Prove that you didn't edit your comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) are you seeing things again? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Prove that you didn't edit your comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Prove that you didn't edit your comment permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) that is not how it works. you are making a claim, you have to prove it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website -2 points 2 years ago Can't think of an alternative to killing civilians and can't prove they're not a lier. Nice. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] quo@feddit.uk 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) To not kill babies and people in hospital care. Innocent life is never worth the victory, no matter what the propganda has told you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) When you have time to get off your unicorn and enter the mortal realm where the rest of us live, please present to us a plan to solve this conflict that results in 0 dead kids. We are waiting, as is your Nobel peace prize. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago "We cannot guarantee children will not die so any suggestion we take actions to avoid it as much as possible are entirely unrealistic." permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago So because I don't have the solution to fix everything with a neat little bow on top kids should die? Nice permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Sure just tell the civilian dressed militants to not shoot from civilian populated areas. permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Anyone who supports murdering children is terrible. All the time. There's no excuse from anyone to support murdering children regardless of who they think might be hiding among them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're just looking to twist everything I say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago You think those babies were getting the medical help they needed? All the fuel and supplies being redirected to Hamas fighters and their control of the building making normal work impossible was killing kids - I bet they're much better off with it run by idf than Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) To not kill babies and people in hospital care. Innocent life is never worth the victory, no matter what the propganda has told you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) When you have time to get off your unicorn and enter the mortal realm where the rest of us live, please present to us a plan to solve this conflict that results in 0 dead kids. We are waiting, as is your Nobel peace prize. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago "We cannot guarantee children will not die so any suggestion we take actions to avoid it as much as possible are entirely unrealistic." permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago So because I don't have the solution to fix everything with a neat little bow on top kids should die? Nice permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Sure just tell the civilian dressed militants to not shoot from civilian populated areas. permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Anyone who supports murdering children is terrible. All the time. There's no excuse from anyone to support murdering children regardless of who they think might be hiding among them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're just looking to twist everything I say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago You think those babies were getting the medical help they needed? All the fuel and supplies being redirected to Hamas fighters and their control of the building making normal work impossible was killing kids - I bet they're much better off with it run by idf than Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) When you have time to get off your unicorn and enter the mortal realm where the rest of us live, please present to us a plan to solve this conflict that results in 0 dead kids. We are waiting, as is your Nobel peace prize. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago "We cannot guarantee children will not die so any suggestion we take actions to avoid it as much as possible are entirely unrealistic." permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago So because I don't have the solution to fix everything with a neat little bow on top kids should die? Nice permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago "We cannot guarantee children will not die so any suggestion we take actions to avoid it as much as possible are entirely unrealistic." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago So because I don't have the solution to fix everything with a neat little bow on top kids should die? Nice permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Sure just tell the civilian dressed militants to not shoot from civilian populated areas. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] quo@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Anyone who supports murdering children is terrible. All the time. There's no excuse from anyone to support murdering children regardless of who they think might be hiding among them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're just looking to twist everything I say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Anyone who supports murdering children is terrible. All the time. There's no excuse from anyone to support murdering children regardless of who they think might be hiding among them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're just looking to twist everything I say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're just looking to twist everything I say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheDoctorDonna@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're just looking to twist everything I say. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] quo@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] quo@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago You think those babies were getting the medical help they needed? All the fuel and supplies being redirected to Hamas fighters and their control of the building making normal work impossible was killing kids - I bet they're much better off with it run by idf than Hamas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnyProgressIsGood@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago That's literally war. Become a general/propose a way to kill /apprehend people that look like civilians while hiding in civilian places permalink fedilink source parent
