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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm talking more about how they're quite openly using their own people as human shields, and don't seem to care particularly much if they get hurt.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This phrase is the most ridiculous "get out of jail free" card I have ever witnessed a genocidal regime attempt to deploy. It doesn't make sense at all. The IDF murdered 4000 children because they claim Hamas typically stands behind people, therefore bombing any civilian anywhere has some chance to also get someone from Hamas hiding behind them? Almost 11,000 Palestinians dead and many times more being sent on a death march because Hamas only exists standing behind all Palestinians who live in Gaza oooooooor the West Bank which is occupied by the IDF and ostensibly governed by the Palestinian Authority who oppose Hamas? Would you be ok with the police shooting through your family because the criminal they were after ran behind them to use as cover? Would you still be ok with it if they just had a suspicion that the criminal was hiding behind your family because that's what they generally do and won't even confirm if they actually were? If it's not ok to do that to your family but it is ok to do to an innocent Palestinian family, why is that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You could just as easily have written a mini diatribe about how Hamas shouldn't be building bases under hospitals, but instead you go after Israel for trying to get at them.

Why is that?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Since you've avoided directly responding to me again, I'll assume that you've ceded your previous two arguments. Keep them coming. Israel isn't even trying to make sense, they are just relying on group identity and reactionary tendencies.

Why is that?

Because Benjamin Netanyahu went against the democratic will of the people of Gaza to install Hamas into leadership and prevent all future elections to severely impede the legal process of establishing a secular Palestinian state. Israel is and has been in control of this situation. Israel has the power to decide whether or not the occupied Palestinians will ever have rights in their own land, and Palestinians lack the power to decide anything for Israel or even for themselves. This is not an evenly matched "both sides" situation. Hamas is there to be Israel's excuse to ethnic cleanse the land they want to seize because they can successfully convince people that every man, woman, and child of Palestinian ethnicity is synonomous with Hamas and therefore is a valid target.

The IDF just claimed that a calendar with the days of the week written on it in arabic was a list of Hamas guards right on CNN when every arabic reader could see through the lie immediately. The IDF makes false claims all the time, so I won't believe their claim of the Hamas HQ as valid until they provide actual evidence. This being the case, if they know where the Hamas HQ is, why not send special forces to go execute a strike as a normal modern nation would do? Why instead kill civilians at such high rates it would make more sense if they were deliberately trying to avoid hitting Hamas as the IDF themselves admitted to at least a 70% civilian casualty rate with more realistic estimates by objective bodies being closer to 90% civilian casualties? Why are they bombing everything that could sustain life in Gaza if not to force the entire population out so they can seize the land as they've always been very open about wanting to do? Why install a bunch of crazies, refuse to negotiate with any Palestinians because of the Hamas they installed, and then harass and murder the civilian population in the Gaza strip for years so that they would be certainly eliminated in the long term unless they risk fighting back in the short term?