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[–] GrayBoltWolf@lemmy.world 117 points 2 years ago (6 children) Slowly? This crap has been going on for years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 96 points 2 years ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 39 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fast would be if windows 8 had ads and non uninstallable internet exploder etc Sounds like someone who doesn't remember windows 8! Ads: https://hothardware.com/news/microsofts-big-hidden-windows-8-feature-builtin-advertising They were working on it... and had it working in several places. Uninstallable IE: https://www.technorms.com/34477/uninstall-internet-explorer-11 While not literally uninstallable... they definitely made it a lot harder. Windows 7 was the last good version of windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago it is permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago That goes for almost any software. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dan@upvote.au 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why not XP SP3? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 2 years ago Interesting - I didn't know that. Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xC4aE1e5@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago* Funny thing is that 8 had 2 LTSC-like versions: Embedded Industry and the EEAP builds. EEAP builds were released to partners (e.g. Nvidia and Intel) only. Industry Pro is like a precursor to modern day IoT LTSC. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frippa@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Windows 8(.1) was still utter trash, I actually "down"graded to windows 7 at the time and it was a bliss. (it wasn't the non-stop-ads kind of trash, but the UI suited a tablet more than a desk/laptop) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tofubl@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago If only every Windows install came with an internet exploder! We wouldn't have to read Elon Musk X fluff pieces on the news ever single day. And privacy concerns... What privacy concerns? permalink fedilink source parent [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah slowly, it started years ago but it’s been getting worse every version, slowly The freemium model was launched and completed with Win10. permalink fedilink source parent [–] csfirecracker@lemmyf.uk 19 points 2 years ago Isn't a process happening gradually over years "slowly"? permalink fedilink source parent [–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago Would that not be slowly? What would you call slowly in this context? permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Decades. permalink fedilink source parent [–] deleted@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (5 children) I don’t recall such issues with Win98 or XP permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ogeist@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dude, that was 22 years ago... I also remember Prince of Persia as if it were yesterday permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] deleted@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Resol@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) I miss Windows Vista. The arrow pointing downwards is about to be absolutely destroyed today. Edit: it turns out that it didn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I used to dual boot linux with windows Vista on an old laptop. I had only installed there the first assassin's creed and Rome total war. Nothing else, never really connected to internet. After 1 year of not using it a part than few total war sessions, vista was so slow that was unusable. It spontaneously became slow for no reason. I completely removed it, left only linux, and that laptop survived 7 years of intensive use, and was still working 10 years later (just too old). Vista was a scam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Good for you, I'm never gonna get convinced. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Vistas problem was that it was ahead of its time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I both agree and disagree with that statement. Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. The actual technological advancement of Vista was userspace graphics drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, XP did that with most of the drivers other than graphics, which lead to a reduction in BSOD crashes (because if a user thread crashes, the OS just kills it and continues on, but an unhandled kernel error will crash the entire OS to a generic "turn the screen blue, report and error, and log it, if possible"). Vista further improved this by moving most of the graphics driver code out of kernel land. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vinniep@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I sort of agree with you, but not in the way I think you meant it. Vista's problem was that it's hardware requirements were too high for it's time. Operating systems have very long project development lifecycle and at a point early on they did a forward looking estimate of where the PC market would be by the time Vista released, and they overshot. When it was almost ready to release it to the world Microsoft put out the initial minimum and recommended specs and PC sellers (Dell, HP, Gateway) lobbied them to lower the numbers; the cost of a PC that met the recommended specs was just too high for the existing PC market and it would kill their sales numbers if they started selling PCs that met those figures. Microsoft complied and lowered the specs, but didn't actually change the operating system in any meaningful way - they just changed a few numbers on a piece of paper and added some configurations that let you disable some of the more hardware intensive bits. The result was that most Vista users were running it on hardware that wasn't actually able to run it properly, which lead to horrible user experiences. Anyone that bought a high end PC or built one themselves and ran Vista on that, however, seemed quite happy with the operating system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had no problems with Vista. I also built a new PC for it though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Very similar story here: I bought a new computer that shipped with Vista. I got horrendously tired of that Pentium 4 thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Blasphemy! Windows XP is the only King! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't really like XP's design anymore. I didn't like it back then either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) It started with Windows 8 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ready to feel old, that was 11 years ago^oo^oo^o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ignotum@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Ah maan, why'd you have to tell me that, it still feels like it came out just 3-4 years ago tops permalink fedilink source parent [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It started with Windows 8 Win8 wasn't freemium. Win10 was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 2 points 2 years ago True but it's when Microsoft started to implement apps and such for tablets and hybrid laptops along with office 365. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Windows 2000 🫶 permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Because at this time the internet was still slow, not always on and optional on most computers, and Microsoft did not know if and how they should integrate the internet into the OS. The only thing they had at the time was some link to MSN on the desktop, and activeX (???) Where you could display websites on your desktop or within your program, but without the Browser controlls. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 96 points 2 years ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 39 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fast would be if windows 8 had ads and non uninstallable internet exploder etc Sounds like someone who doesn't remember windows 8! Ads: https://hothardware.com/news/microsofts-big-hidden-windows-8-feature-builtin-advertising They were working on it... and had it working in several places. Uninstallable IE: https://www.technorms.com/34477/uninstall-internet-explorer-11 While not literally uninstallable... they definitely made it a lot harder. Windows 7 was the last good version of windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago it is permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago That goes for almost any software. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dan@upvote.au 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why not XP SP3? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 2 years ago Interesting - I didn't know that. Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xC4aE1e5@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago* Funny thing is that 8 had 2 LTSC-like versions: Embedded Industry and the EEAP builds. EEAP builds were released to partners (e.g. Nvidia and Intel) only. Industry Pro is like a precursor to modern day IoT LTSC. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frippa@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Windows 8(.1) was still utter trash, I actually "down"graded to windows 7 at the time and it was a bliss. (it wasn't the non-stop-ads kind of trash, but the UI suited a tablet more than a desk/laptop) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] tofubl@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago If only every Windows install came with an internet exploder! We wouldn't have to read Elon Musk X fluff pieces on the news ever single day. And privacy concerns... What privacy concerns? permalink fedilink source parent [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah slowly, it started years ago but it’s been getting worse every version, slowly The freemium model was launched and completed with Win10. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 39 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fast would be if windows 8 had ads and non uninstallable internet exploder etc Sounds like someone who doesn't remember windows 8! Ads: https://hothardware.com/news/microsofts-big-hidden-windows-8-feature-builtin-advertising They were working on it... and had it working in several places. Uninstallable IE: https://www.technorms.com/34477/uninstall-internet-explorer-11 While not literally uninstallable... they definitely made it a lot harder. Windows 7 was the last good version of windows. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago it is permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago That goes for almost any software. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dan@upvote.au 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why not XP SP3? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 2 years ago Interesting - I didn't know that. Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent [–] 0xC4aE1e5@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago* Funny thing is that 8 had 2 LTSC-like versions: Embedded Industry and the EEAP builds. EEAP builds were released to partners (e.g. Nvidia and Intel) only. Industry Pro is like a precursor to modern day IoT LTSC. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 years ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] aniki@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago it is permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago That goes for almost any software. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dan@upvote.au 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why not XP SP3? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 2 years ago Interesting - I didn't know that. Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] aniki@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago* (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] emptiestplace@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago it is permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago That goes for almost any software. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] msage@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago That goes for almost any software. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan@upvote.au 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Why not XP SP3? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 2 years ago Interesting - I didn't know that. Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent
[+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 2 years ago Interesting - I didn't know that. Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan@upvote.au 1 point 2 years ago Interesting - I didn't know that. Thanks! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0xC4aE1e5@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago* Funny thing is that 8 had 2 LTSC-like versions: Embedded Industry and the EEAP builds. EEAP builds were released to partners (e.g. Nvidia and Intel) only. Industry Pro is like a precursor to modern day IoT LTSC. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Windows 8(.1) was still utter trash, I actually "down"graded to windows 7 at the time and it was a bliss. (it wasn't the non-stop-ads kind of trash, but the UI suited a tablet more than a desk/laptop) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] asexualchangeling@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tofubl@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago If only every Windows install came with an internet exploder! We wouldn't have to read Elon Musk X fluff pieces on the news ever single day. And privacy concerns... What privacy concerns? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah slowly, it started years ago but it’s been getting worse every version, slowly The freemium model was launched and completed with Win10. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] csfirecracker@lemmyf.uk 19 points 2 years ago Isn't a process happening gradually over years "slowly"? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iAmTheTot@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago Would that not be slowly? What would you call slowly in this context? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deleted@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (5 children) I don’t recall such issues with Win98 or XP permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] ogeist@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dude, that was 22 years ago... I also remember Prince of Persia as if it were yesterday permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] deleted@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Resol@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) I miss Windows Vista. The arrow pointing downwards is about to be absolutely destroyed today. Edit: it turns out that it didn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I used to dual boot linux with windows Vista on an old laptop. I had only installed there the first assassin's creed and Rome total war. Nothing else, never really connected to internet. After 1 year of not using it a part than few total war sessions, vista was so slow that was unusable. It spontaneously became slow for no reason. I completely removed it, left only linux, and that laptop survived 7 years of intensive use, and was still working 10 years later (just too old). Vista was a scam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Good for you, I'm never gonna get convinced. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Vistas problem was that it was ahead of its time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I both agree and disagree with that statement. Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. The actual technological advancement of Vista was userspace graphics drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, XP did that with most of the drivers other than graphics, which lead to a reduction in BSOD crashes (because if a user thread crashes, the OS just kills it and continues on, but an unhandled kernel error will crash the entire OS to a generic "turn the screen blue, report and error, and log it, if possible"). Vista further improved this by moving most of the graphics driver code out of kernel land. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vinniep@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I sort of agree with you, but not in the way I think you meant it. Vista's problem was that it's hardware requirements were too high for it's time. Operating systems have very long project development lifecycle and at a point early on they did a forward looking estimate of where the PC market would be by the time Vista released, and they overshot. When it was almost ready to release it to the world Microsoft put out the initial minimum and recommended specs and PC sellers (Dell, HP, Gateway) lobbied them to lower the numbers; the cost of a PC that met the recommended specs was just too high for the existing PC market and it would kill their sales numbers if they started selling PCs that met those figures. Microsoft complied and lowered the specs, but didn't actually change the operating system in any meaningful way - they just changed a few numbers on a piece of paper and added some configurations that let you disable some of the more hardware intensive bits. The result was that most Vista users were running it on hardware that wasn't actually able to run it properly, which lead to horrible user experiences. Anyone that bought a high end PC or built one themselves and ran Vista on that, however, seemed quite happy with the operating system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had no problems with Vista. I also built a new PC for it though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Very similar story here: I bought a new computer that shipped with Vista. I got horrendously tired of that Pentium 4 thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Blasphemy! Windows XP is the only King! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't really like XP's design anymore. I didn't like it back then either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) It started with Windows 8 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ready to feel old, that was 11 years ago^oo^oo^o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ignotum@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Ah maan, why'd you have to tell me that, it still feels like it came out just 3-4 years ago tops permalink fedilink source parent [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It started with Windows 8 Win8 wasn't freemium. Win10 was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 2 points 2 years ago True but it's when Microsoft started to implement apps and such for tablets and hybrid laptops along with office 365. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Windows 2000 🫶 permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Because at this time the internet was still slow, not always on and optional on most computers, and Microsoft did not know if and how they should integrate the internet into the OS. The only thing they had at the time was some link to MSN on the desktop, and activeX (???) Where you could display websites on your desktop or within your program, but without the Browser controlls. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ogeist@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 child) Dude, that was 22 years ago... I also remember Prince of Persia as if it were yesterday permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] deleted@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Resol@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) I miss Windows Vista. The arrow pointing downwards is about to be absolutely destroyed today. Edit: it turns out that it didn't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I used to dual boot linux with windows Vista on an old laptop. I had only installed there the first assassin's creed and Rome total war. Nothing else, never really connected to internet. After 1 year of not using it a part than few total war sessions, vista was so slow that was unusable. It spontaneously became slow for no reason. I completely removed it, left only linux, and that laptop survived 7 years of intensive use, and was still working 10 years later (just too old). Vista was a scam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Good for you, I'm never gonna get convinced. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Vistas problem was that it was ahead of its time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I both agree and disagree with that statement. Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. The actual technological advancement of Vista was userspace graphics drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, XP did that with most of the drivers other than graphics, which lead to a reduction in BSOD crashes (because if a user thread crashes, the OS just kills it and continues on, but an unhandled kernel error will crash the entire OS to a generic "turn the screen blue, report and error, and log it, if possible"). Vista further improved this by moving most of the graphics driver code out of kernel land. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vinniep@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I sort of agree with you, but not in the way I think you meant it. Vista's problem was that it's hardware requirements were too high for it's time. Operating systems have very long project development lifecycle and at a point early on they did a forward looking estimate of where the PC market would be by the time Vista released, and they overshot. When it was almost ready to release it to the world Microsoft put out the initial minimum and recommended specs and PC sellers (Dell, HP, Gateway) lobbied them to lower the numbers; the cost of a PC that met the recommended specs was just too high for the existing PC market and it would kill their sales numbers if they started selling PCs that met those figures. Microsoft complied and lowered the specs, but didn't actually change the operating system in any meaningful way - they just changed a few numbers on a piece of paper and added some configurations that let you disable some of the more hardware intensive bits. The result was that most Vista users were running it on hardware that wasn't actually able to run it properly, which lead to horrible user experiences. Anyone that bought a high end PC or built one themselves and ran Vista on that, however, seemed quite happy with the operating system. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had no problems with Vista. I also built a new PC for it though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Very similar story here: I bought a new computer that shipped with Vista. I got horrendously tired of that Pentium 4 thing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Blasphemy! Windows XP is the only King! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't really like XP's design anymore. I didn't like it back then either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zeth0s@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) I used to dual boot linux with windows Vista on an old laptop. I had only installed there the first assassin's creed and Rome total war. Nothing else, never really connected to internet. After 1 year of not using it a part than few total war sessions, vista was so slow that was unusable. It spontaneously became slow for no reason. I completely removed it, left only linux, and that laptop survived 7 years of intensive use, and was still working 10 years later (just too old). Vista was a scam permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Good for you, I'm never gonna get convinced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Good for you, I'm never gonna get convinced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PopOfAfrica@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Vistas problem was that it was ahead of its time permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I both agree and disagree with that statement. Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. The actual technological advancement of Vista was userspace graphics drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, XP did that with most of the drivers other than graphics, which lead to a reduction in BSOD crashes (because if a user thread crashes, the OS just kills it and continues on, but an unhandled kernel error will crash the entire OS to a generic "turn the screen blue, report and error, and log it, if possible"). Vista further improved this by moving most of the graphics driver code out of kernel land. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vinniep@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I sort of agree with you, but not in the way I think you meant it. Vista's problem was that it's hardware requirements were too high for it's time. Operating systems have very long project development lifecycle and at a point early on they did a forward looking estimate of where the PC market would be by the time Vista released, and they overshot. When it was almost ready to release it to the world Microsoft put out the initial minimum and recommended specs and PC sellers (Dell, HP, Gateway) lobbied them to lower the numbers; the cost of a PC that met the recommended specs was just too high for the existing PC market and it would kill their sales numbers if they started selling PCs that met those figures. Microsoft complied and lowered the specs, but didn't actually change the operating system in any meaningful way - they just changed a few numbers on a piece of paper and added some configurations that let you disable some of the more hardware intensive bits. The result was that most Vista users were running it on hardware that wasn't actually able to run it properly, which lead to horrible user experiences. Anyone that bought a high end PC or built one themselves and ran Vista on that, however, seemed quite happy with the operating system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Resol@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I both agree and disagree with that statement. Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. The actual technological advancement of Vista was userspace graphics drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, XP did that with most of the drivers other than graphics, which lead to a reduction in BSOD crashes (because if a user thread crashes, the OS just kills it and continues on, but an unhandled kernel error will crash the entire OS to a generic "turn the screen blue, report and error, and log it, if possible"). Vista further improved this by moving most of the graphics driver code out of kernel land. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Windows finally got animations and transparency when Mac OS has beaten it by 6 years. Truly an oomph moment. The actual technological advancement of Vista was userspace graphics drivers. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also correct. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, XP did that with most of the drivers other than graphics, which lead to a reduction in BSOD crashes (because if a user thread crashes, the OS just kills it and continues on, but an unhandled kernel error will crash the entire OS to a generic "turn the screen blue, report and error, and log it, if possible"). Vista further improved this by moving most of the graphics driver code out of kernel land. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, XP did that with most of the drivers other than graphics, which lead to a reduction in BSOD crashes (because if a user thread crashes, the OS just kills it and continues on, but an unhandled kernel error will crash the entire OS to a generic "turn the screen blue, report and error, and log it, if possible"). Vista further improved this by moving most of the graphics driver code out of kernel land. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vinniep@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I sort of agree with you, but not in the way I think you meant it. Vista's problem was that it's hardware requirements were too high for it's time. Operating systems have very long project development lifecycle and at a point early on they did a forward looking estimate of where the PC market would be by the time Vista released, and they overshot. When it was almost ready to release it to the world Microsoft put out the initial minimum and recommended specs and PC sellers (Dell, HP, Gateway) lobbied them to lower the numbers; the cost of a PC that met the recommended specs was just too high for the existing PC market and it would kill their sales numbers if they started selling PCs that met those figures. Microsoft complied and lowered the specs, but didn't actually change the operating system in any meaningful way - they just changed a few numbers on a piece of paper and added some configurations that let you disable some of the more hardware intensive bits. The result was that most Vista users were running it on hardware that wasn't actually able to run it properly, which lead to horrible user experiences. Anyone that bought a high end PC or built one themselves and ran Vista on that, however, seemed quite happy with the operating system. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had no problems with Vista. I also built a new PC for it though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Very similar story here: I bought a new computer that shipped with Vista. I got horrendously tired of that Pentium 4 thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Very similar story here: I bought a new computer that shipped with Vista. I got horrendously tired of that Pentium 4 thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Blasphemy! Windows XP is the only King! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't really like XP's design anymore. I didn't like it back then either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Resol@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't really like XP's design anymore. I didn't like it back then either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) It started with Windows 8 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ready to feel old, that was 11 years ago^oo^oo^o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ignotum@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Ah maan, why'd you have to tell me that, it still feels like it came out just 3-4 years ago tops permalink fedilink source parent [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It started with Windows 8 Win8 wasn't freemium. Win10 was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 2 points 2 years ago True but it's when Microsoft started to implement apps and such for tablets and hybrid laptops along with office 365. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ready to feel old, that was 11 years ago^oo^oo^o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ignotum@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Ah maan, why'd you have to tell me that, it still feels like it came out just 3-4 years ago tops permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Ah maan, why'd you have to tell me that, it still feels like it came out just 3-4 years ago tops permalink fedilink source parent
[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It started with Windows 8 Win8 wasn't freemium. Win10 was. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 2 points 2 years ago True but it's when Microsoft started to implement apps and such for tablets and hybrid laptops along with office 365. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 2 points 2 years ago True but it's when Microsoft started to implement apps and such for tablets and hybrid laptops along with office 365. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AnAngryAlpaca@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago Because at this time the internet was still slow, not always on and optional on most computers, and Microsoft did not know if and how they should integrate the internet into the OS. The only thing they had at the time was some link to MSN on the desktop, and activeX (???) Where you could display websites on your desktop or within your program, but without the Browser controlls. permalink fedilink source parent