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There's no need to kill pigs at all, so I couldn't care less about what the "least painful" way is.
Of course there is, how else would be get meat?
We don't need to eat meat.
we do
OK, so how do millions and millions of vegans manage to survive without meat? Answer me that 😉
With a variety of unhealthy sideffects? Even people whose whole job it is to be vegan(vegan youtubers), reported having medical problems. Mothers that had trouble producing milk and babies not getting enough nutrients and so on and so forth.
If it was impossible for people to survive on a vegan diet, don't you think vegans would start to die off en masse or something? Cherry picked muh vegan Youtubers are not an argument.
Wait, so I provide evidence of people stopping being vegan because it causes them medical problems, and you think that that isn't evidence that being vegan causes you medical problems?
It's not evidence of anything. You yourself said it was anecdotal.
"I've got plenty of hearsay and conjecture, those are kinds of evidence"
Feel as you want, it's enough evidence for me. People paid to be vegan couldn't do it, even though they wanted to.
Researched scientific article: dismissed
A handful of vegan Youtubers: ironclad evidence
Gotta love carnist logic 👍
People with a financial incentive and willingness to be vegan, with all the resources, couldn't do it. They certainly had all the info this study did. To dismiss them because one study says otherwise is foolish, and the study is locked behind a paywall, I can't read it to determine how long it lasted, how many participants it had. I'm basically just going off the abstract.
How many "participants" do you have? What's your sample size here? Certainly not statistically significant enough to draw this kind of absolute conclusion ("You cannot survive on a vegan diet").
Enough to see a clear pattern of people going "I'm going to be a vegan youtuber", then for 3-5 years they say they're fine, then the medical problems starts, they go to a variety of doctors, take all the supplements as they should, and nothing gets better, than they start eating meat, and the problems stop. And someone makes a compilation of them going through that process. YouTube has been a serious thing for since 2012, these people documented their lives for 3-8 years, better than any study could afford to. Again, to dismiss that is foolishness.
Again, a handful of vegan Youtubers is not a statistically significant sample that proves every vegan is going to develop health problems like you claimed.
The study doesn't say the number of participants in the abstract, so, technically, you don't know what a statistically significant sample is. and this is a couple dozen youtubers.
Anyway. I don't think I can convince you, nor can you convince me, so, how about we talk about something else, tangentially related? Have you heard of precision fermentation?