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[+] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 75 points 2 years ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kescusay@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I wouldn't say "antiquated" so much as "broken." The concept of polling is perfectly reasonable and sound. But today, it's just physically hard to do. You've got to reach a representational sample, but if you're under 50, you're probably not answering unknown numbers calling your cellphone. This results in oversampling of populations you can actually reach, such as older Americans with landlines, and then trying to weight the results with other information sources, like demographics data. The more weighting you have to do, the more opportunities there are for problems to creep in. If we could solve the sampling problem, polling would be easier and more reliable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) I live in a swing state, in a purple county, which has recently flipped back to blue. Last week polls were saying it was likely to go red. I get multiple texts and phone calls from pollsters and have never answered any of them. I doubt anyone in my age group ot demographic are doing differently. I truly believe that, like the economy, polling on paper is so divorced from the reality on the ground that it is useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago Same here. I never answer political calls, and my phone automatically flags the texts as spam and hides them. If they did the polling with a quick tap-to-answer UI and there were reassurances that they won't sell your info so you get even more solicitations, that might work better for the present day. This whole business with calling people is so 1950s. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kescusay@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly believe that, like the economy, polling on paper is so divorced from the reality on the ground that it is useless. Oh, definitely. All I'm saying is that the concept of polling is sound, but the current situation "on the ground" makes polling damn near impossible, and that probably won't be a permanent state of affairs. Pollsters have run into new technology that broke their methodology before, and figured out ways around it. But yeah, right now? Polls are pretty goddamn unreliable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* as a concept, sure, polls can show things. i think they are a bad idea tho. they just give azzholes time to shape their words so they can win. anyone in office who actually is trying to do their job properly is going to use their knowledge and desire to do good work. what if polls show that to be “losing?” how does it help society in anyway? i don’t see benefit, only harm (or nothing). plus pollsters clog up phones and so on. just more marketers, people blabbing and asking questions for a paycheck. seriously, i see zip good about polls, esp political polls. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago polling is a scoursge. it doesn’t benefit society. notice how everything went well with broken polls. voting itself is the only poll that matters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago To get a poll representative of a population, you need an SRS -- simple random sample. The people you poll are chosen completely at random from an unbiased list. That's incredibly difficult to do when the person chosen can decline. And as far as getting an unbiased list, good luck. Landlines are lol. Texting doesn't work either. I think when everyone had landlines it was probably less biased. But with the state of technology today and the country becoming more diverse? It might be falling apart. They need a new methodology. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Oh yay! Those races don't get enough national attention, it's a relief to see them get fucked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago* (3 children) I wouldn't say "antiquated" so much as "broken." The concept of polling is perfectly reasonable and sound. But today, it's just physically hard to do. You've got to reach a representational sample, but if you're under 50, you're probably not answering unknown numbers calling your cellphone. This results in oversampling of populations you can actually reach, such as older Americans with landlines, and then trying to weight the results with other information sources, like demographics data. The more weighting you have to do, the more opportunities there are for problems to creep in. If we could solve the sampling problem, polling would be easier and more reliable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) I live in a swing state, in a purple county, which has recently flipped back to blue. Last week polls were saying it was likely to go red. I get multiple texts and phone calls from pollsters and have never answered any of them. I doubt anyone in my age group ot demographic are doing differently. I truly believe that, like the economy, polling on paper is so divorced from the reality on the ground that it is useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago Same here. I never answer political calls, and my phone automatically flags the texts as spam and hides them. If they did the polling with a quick tap-to-answer UI and there were reassurances that they won't sell your info so you get even more solicitations, that might work better for the present day. This whole business with calling people is so 1950s. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kescusay@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly believe that, like the economy, polling on paper is so divorced from the reality on the ground that it is useless. Oh, definitely. All I'm saying is that the concept of polling is sound, but the current situation "on the ground" makes polling damn near impossible, and that probably won't be a permanent state of affairs. Pollsters have run into new technology that broke their methodology before, and figured out ways around it. But yeah, right now? Polls are pretty goddamn unreliable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* as a concept, sure, polls can show things. i think they are a bad idea tho. they just give azzholes time to shape their words so they can win. anyone in office who actually is trying to do their job properly is going to use their knowledge and desire to do good work. what if polls show that to be “losing?” how does it help society in anyway? i don’t see benefit, only harm (or nothing). plus pollsters clog up phones and so on. just more marketers, people blabbing and asking questions for a paycheck. seriously, i see zip good about polls, esp political polls. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago polling is a scoursge. it doesn’t benefit society. notice how everything went well with broken polls. voting itself is the only poll that matters. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago To get a poll representative of a population, you need an SRS -- simple random sample. The people you poll are chosen completely at random from an unbiased list. That's incredibly difficult to do when the person chosen can decline. And as far as getting an unbiased list, good luck. Landlines are lol. Texting doesn't work either. I think when everyone had landlines it was probably less biased. But with the state of technology today and the country becoming more diverse? It might be falling apart. They need a new methodology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) I live in a swing state, in a purple county, which has recently flipped back to blue. Last week polls were saying it was likely to go red. I get multiple texts and phone calls from pollsters and have never answered any of them. I doubt anyone in my age group ot demographic are doing differently. I truly believe that, like the economy, polling on paper is so divorced from the reality on the ground that it is useless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago Same here. I never answer political calls, and my phone automatically flags the texts as spam and hides them. If they did the polling with a quick tap-to-answer UI and there were reassurances that they won't sell your info so you get even more solicitations, that might work better for the present day. This whole business with calling people is so 1950s. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kescusay@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly believe that, like the economy, polling on paper is so divorced from the reality on the ground that it is useless. Oh, definitely. All I'm saying is that the concept of polling is sound, but the current situation "on the ground" makes polling damn near impossible, and that probably won't be a permanent state of affairs. Pollsters have run into new technology that broke their methodology before, and figured out ways around it. But yeah, right now? Polls are pretty goddamn unreliable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* as a concept, sure, polls can show things. i think they are a bad idea tho. they just give azzholes time to shape their words so they can win. anyone in office who actually is trying to do their job properly is going to use their knowledge and desire to do good work. what if polls show that to be “losing?” how does it help society in anyway? i don’t see benefit, only harm (or nothing). plus pollsters clog up phones and so on. just more marketers, people blabbing and asking questions for a paycheck. seriously, i see zip good about polls, esp political polls. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world 12 points 2 years ago Same here. I never answer political calls, and my phone automatically flags the texts as spam and hides them. If they did the polling with a quick tap-to-answer UI and there were reassurances that they won't sell your info so you get even more solicitations, that might work better for the present day. This whole business with calling people is so 1950s. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I truly believe that, like the economy, polling on paper is so divorced from the reality on the ground that it is useless. Oh, definitely. All I'm saying is that the concept of polling is sound, but the current situation "on the ground" makes polling damn near impossible, and that probably won't be a permanent state of affairs. Pollsters have run into new technology that broke their methodology before, and figured out ways around it. But yeah, right now? Polls are pretty goddamn unreliable. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* as a concept, sure, polls can show things. i think they are a bad idea tho. they just give azzholes time to shape their words so they can win. anyone in office who actually is trying to do their job properly is going to use their knowledge and desire to do good work. what if polls show that to be “losing?” how does it help society in anyway? i don’t see benefit, only harm (or nothing). plus pollsters clog up phones and so on. just more marketers, people blabbing and asking questions for a paycheck. seriously, i see zip good about polls, esp political polls. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* as a concept, sure, polls can show things. i think they are a bad idea tho. they just give azzholes time to shape their words so they can win. anyone in office who actually is trying to do their job properly is going to use their knowledge and desire to do good work. what if polls show that to be “losing?” how does it help society in anyway? i don’t see benefit, only harm (or nothing). plus pollsters clog up phones and so on. just more marketers, people blabbing and asking questions for a paycheck. seriously, i see zip good about polls, esp political polls. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iquanyin@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago polling is a scoursge. it doesn’t benefit society. notice how everything went well with broken polls. voting itself is the only poll that matters. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago To get a poll representative of a population, you need an SRS -- simple random sample. The people you poll are chosen completely at random from an unbiased list. That's incredibly difficult to do when the person chosen can decline. And as far as getting an unbiased list, good luck. Landlines are lol. Texting doesn't work either. I think when everyone had landlines it was probably less biased. But with the state of technology today and the country becoming more diverse? It might be falling apart. They need a new methodology. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Oh yay! Those races don't get enough national attention, it's a relief to see them get fucked. permalink fedilink source parent