this post was submitted on 04 Nov 2023
1240 points (98.3% liked)

News

23376 readers
2133 users here now

Welcome to the News community!

Rules:

1. Be civil


Attack the argument, not the person. No racism/sexism/bigotry. Good faith argumentation only. This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban. Do not respond to rule-breaking content; report it and move on.


2. All posts should contain a source (url) that is as reliable and unbiased as possible and must only contain one link.


Obvious right or left wing sources will be removed at the mods discretion. We have an actively updated blocklist, which you can see here: https://lemmy.world/post/2246130 if you feel like any website is missing, contact the mods. Supporting links can be added in comments or posted seperately but not to the post body.


3. No bots, spam or self-promotion.


Only approved bots, which follow the guidelines for bots set by the instance, are allowed.


4. Post titles should be the same as the article used as source.


Posts which titles don’t match the source won’t be removed, but the autoMod will notify you, and if your title misrepresents the original article, the post will be deleted. If the site changed their headline, the bot might still contact you, just ignore it, we won’t delete your post.


5. Only recent news is allowed.


Posts must be news from the most recent 30 days.


6. All posts must be news articles.


No opinion pieces, Listicles, editorials or celebrity gossip is allowed. All posts will be judged on a case-by-case basis.


7. No duplicate posts.


If a source you used was already posted by someone else, the autoMod will leave a message. Please remove your post if the autoMod is correct. If the post that matches your post is very old, we refer you to rule 5.


8. Misinformation is prohibited.


Misinformation / propaganda is strictly prohibited. Any comment or post containing or linking to misinformation will be removed. If you feel that your post has been removed in error, credible sources must be provided.


9. No link shorteners.


The auto mod will contact you if a link shortener is detected, please delete your post if they are right.


10. Don't copy entire article in your post body


For copyright reasons, you are not allowed to copy an entire article into your post body. This is an instance wide rule, that is strictly enforced in this community.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

Bubba Copeland shot himself in front of police on Friday, days after he begged 1819 News not to expose his private life.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

While I agree that suicide should never ever ever be encouraged. I don’t think it’s necessarily a mental illness. This person was going to or already had lost everything they had ever known and worked for. They would have been a pariah in their town. They very likely would have been disowned by family and friends. It’s a little late in life to be starting all over somewhere new. I don’t think it’s crazy to contemplate unconventional exit strategies in that case.

Source: I am from small rural town Alabama.

I also think that we should remove the negative stigma behind suicide. After all, even bringing it up with a mental health professional can and will get you essentially arrested for 48 to 72 hours which discourages people from seeking help.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

Also, can we just acknowledge how fucked up it is that this person felt they had no other way to deal with the situation, all because a group of people cared what clothes he wore in private.

I get that he decided to be part of this group, but even still... No one deserves that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He could have moved to Oregon and a small town would have embraced him. sigh

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where as I agree with you. It’s also funny that you say that. I have some friends that moved from Oregon to Alabama because it’s so cheap to live here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ah, right. Oregon. Known for our high cost of living…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, I think part of it was where they lived too. They were living in hood river.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope they had good flood insurance

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I asked he said they lived right on the Columbia river.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Also, I admit that I don’t know. That was just the reason they gave for moving here. For all I know they are hiding from a murder. Heh

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hey! One quick correction - I'm currently a therapy student. You are correct that if a therapist thinks you are in imminent danger of suicide, you can be detained for a period of time for your own safety. But we are taught only to do that if the danger is imminent. If you are just depressed and occasionally have suicidal ideation, but likely will not act on it immediately, a good therapist would not have you detained. That would be counterproductive.

Definitely just be super blunt and honest with your therapist. They are trained to handle things appropriately. You might hear about shitty therapists occasionally, but most of us are really well trained and really want the best for people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Definitely just be super blunt and honest with cops. They are trained to handle things appropriately. You might hear about shitty cops occasionally, but most of us are really well trained and really want the best for people."

Who are you even trying to fool...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Therapists aren't cops... 😅

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Small mercies, huh.

Anyways, therapists aren't your friends, kids. You shouldn't trust them just because they're therapists.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Could you explain? I'm legit confused because doctors have the same authority to detain someone on medical/mental grounds. Should you lie to doctors as well?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What's confusing you?

When I go to doctors at least, it's because of a physical injury. They're not going to detain me and lock me away because my broken leg is a threat to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Doctors have the same authority as therapists to detain people if they believe they are a danger to themselves. I get what you are saying though.

Statistically, depressed people who see mental health professionals have better overall happiness and lower suicidality than people who do not.

I guess I'm kinda sad, which is why I feel defensive about this. I apologize if it came off as abrasive earlier. Lol also I got like 2 hours of sleep last night bc my gf's dog is probably dying and needed to go to the vet. It's been a day.

Could you explain what you are worried about? Like, just because they have the authority to detain you, are you afraid they absolutely will if they have the chance?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well then stop fucking replying to me, my man, you have more important things to do.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't say suicide always happens, because you are mentally ill. You are twisting my words to suit your argument, maybe unintentionally. There is good reasons why people want to die, e.g. when they suffer from an illness that is only going to cause pain and suffering and want to go on their own terms.

I am not and was never in his head, but I am quite positive he didn't suddenly develop, let's say relatively severe Alzheimer's disease and wanted to die why he still had controll over his life.

And yes, suicide should be allowed in my opinion as well. You should be the one who decides when and how you go. I agree with you insofar.

Though mental health professionals don't admit you against your will, because it is a fun joke to them, but because the vast majority people are mentally ill when they are contemplating suicide. It is not a normal thing to want to die.

I don't know how things are where you live, but in my tiny spot of the world people usually don't get admitted against their will because of suicidal tendencies, but chose to after they talked to a mental health professional. You usually only get admitted against your will here, when e.g. police, firefighters and/or medical services had to talk you down or save you from an attempted suicide attempt. If that is not the case in your small town in rural Alabama, then you should inform yourself as well as possible and try to teach others about a better alternative. Just my two cents on your comment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I apologize if i misunderstood what your comment said it’s late and I’ve had , well, a day. I wasn’t trying to twist your words. So, I do apologize for that.

In my experience getting locked up for talking about suicide is subjective. What is serious to one mental health professional may not be serious to another. So, you never really know if you are crossing a line or not. I’ve always felt like it’s best to just avoid the subject all together. But in my experience it keeps me from building a relationship with the therapist. It says to me that there are things that are ok to talk about and things that are not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No need to apologize. I assumed it was unintentionally. I sincerely hope things improve in general when it comes to mental health in society and in your life if things are not great.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago