▲ 1241 ▼ Alabama Mayor Kills Self After Right-Wing Blog Outs His Cross-Dressing (www.thedailybeast.com) submitted 2 years ago by Haus@kbin.social to c/news@lemmy.world 454 comments fedilink hide all child comments Bubba Copeland shot himself in front of police on Friday, days after he begged 1819 News not to expose his private life.
[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (1 child) it does not appear he had taken any public positions against LGBTQ issues that could be construed as hypocritical permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 55 points 2 years ago (3 children) Except for being a member of the anti LGBTQ party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, but so is Caitlyn Jenner... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DTFpanda@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) How anybody takes someone like that seriously is beyond me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) You've got me. I don't understand why any trans person would be a Republican, but I guess money trumps all when you're rich. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gkd@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* Because they (wrongly) believe that being “one of the good ones” will save them from being targeted by republicans and their proposed legislation like Project 2025 That doesn’t mean people who have previously voted red are in the wrong (lots of internalized homophobia can lead to opposite beliefs). But once you realize your identity and continue to vote against yours and other people’s human rights, you’re absolutely in the wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meco03211@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Pretty sure there were slaves that actively sought to maintain slavery. In some cases, they had relatively decent lives compared to other slaves and even some free black people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I would imagine that becoming mayor in certain parts of the country is much easier if you’re a member of the dominant party in the region. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Or existing in society at all. Sometimes in those parts of the country the first question upon meeting someone is "what church do you go to". permalink fedilink source parent [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) He didn't have to become mayor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago No, he didn’t. But people get to want things. Sometimes they want things for themselves, sometimes they want things for their communities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rchive@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) You can disagree with your party on one issue. There are tons of Democrats who are opposed to increased gun control, for example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] darq@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it's not just "an issue". We are talking about a demographic and their legal recognition. No I'm sorry but we cannot agree to disagree on something so fundamental as equal treatment of people. It's not comparable gun control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I'm talking about whether people are physically capable of breaking with their party on a single issue. They obviously are. Gallup poll permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disagreeing on policy is one thing; disagreeing on human rights is another. You cannot be a Republican and have respect for queer rights at the same time. It has to be a 100% deal-breaker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what you're talking about. There are tons of Republicans who support gay rights in some fashion, even if it's not a majority position within the party. Gallup poll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* No, there are precisely zero Republicans who support gay rights. What you've cited is a poll showing some who claim to, but are lying. Their deeds, not their words, prove their true intentions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) How likely are those Democrats to get bullied to the point of suicide if their "secret" of being against increased gun control was to come out? Or to preemptively commit suicide in anticipation of the bullying they're going to receive? This is not the same thing. Democrats are, generally speaking, flexible about a lot of their positions. It's how they wind up with problem members like Manchin and Sinema. The Republican party is very different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not the right comparison. He didn't commit suicide because he was ashamed of supporting gay rights, he was ashamed of wanting to cross dress and of having engaged in the activity. Regardless of politics, that's a pretty uncommon behavior. Most people don't want other people to know they're a sexual deviant of some kind. I'd guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left, for sure, but the point is that it's not just the breaking from the standard beliefs of that side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I’d guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left And that, right there, is exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago Good luck trying to get the terminally online to understand the nuances and complexities of the human condition permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 55 points 2 years ago (3 children) Except for being a member of the anti LGBTQ party. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, but so is Caitlyn Jenner... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DTFpanda@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) How anybody takes someone like that seriously is beyond me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) You've got me. I don't understand why any trans person would be a Republican, but I guess money trumps all when you're rich. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gkd@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* Because they (wrongly) believe that being “one of the good ones” will save them from being targeted by republicans and their proposed legislation like Project 2025 That doesn’t mean people who have previously voted red are in the wrong (lots of internalized homophobia can lead to opposite beliefs). But once you realize your identity and continue to vote against yours and other people’s human rights, you’re absolutely in the wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meco03211@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Pretty sure there were slaves that actively sought to maintain slavery. In some cases, they had relatively decent lives compared to other slaves and even some free black people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I would imagine that becoming mayor in certain parts of the country is much easier if you’re a member of the dominant party in the region. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Or existing in society at all. Sometimes in those parts of the country the first question upon meeting someone is "what church do you go to". permalink fedilink source parent [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) He didn't have to become mayor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago No, he didn’t. But people get to want things. Sometimes they want things for themselves, sometimes they want things for their communities. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rchive@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) You can disagree with your party on one issue. There are tons of Democrats who are opposed to increased gun control, for example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] darq@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it's not just "an issue". We are talking about a demographic and their legal recognition. No I'm sorry but we cannot agree to disagree on something so fundamental as equal treatment of people. It's not comparable gun control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I'm talking about whether people are physically capable of breaking with their party on a single issue. They obviously are. Gallup poll permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disagreeing on policy is one thing; disagreeing on human rights is another. You cannot be a Republican and have respect for queer rights at the same time. It has to be a 100% deal-breaker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what you're talking about. There are tons of Republicans who support gay rights in some fashion, even if it's not a majority position within the party. Gallup poll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* No, there are precisely zero Republicans who support gay rights. What you've cited is a poll showing some who claim to, but are lying. Their deeds, not their words, prove their true intentions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) How likely are those Democrats to get bullied to the point of suicide if their "secret" of being against increased gun control was to come out? Or to preemptively commit suicide in anticipation of the bullying they're going to receive? This is not the same thing. Democrats are, generally speaking, flexible about a lot of their positions. It's how they wind up with problem members like Manchin and Sinema. The Republican party is very different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not the right comparison. He didn't commit suicide because he was ashamed of supporting gay rights, he was ashamed of wanting to cross dress and of having engaged in the activity. Regardless of politics, that's a pretty uncommon behavior. Most people don't want other people to know they're a sexual deviant of some kind. I'd guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left, for sure, but the point is that it's not just the breaking from the standard beliefs of that side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I’d guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left And that, right there, is exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago Good luck trying to get the terminally online to understand the nuances and complexities of the human condition permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) Yeah, but so is Caitlyn Jenner... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DTFpanda@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) How anybody takes someone like that seriously is beyond me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) You've got me. I don't understand why any trans person would be a Republican, but I guess money trumps all when you're rich. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gkd@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* Because they (wrongly) believe that being “one of the good ones” will save them from being targeted by republicans and their proposed legislation like Project 2025 That doesn’t mean people who have previously voted red are in the wrong (lots of internalized homophobia can lead to opposite beliefs). But once you realize your identity and continue to vote against yours and other people’s human rights, you’re absolutely in the wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] meco03211@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Pretty sure there were slaves that actively sought to maintain slavery. In some cases, they had relatively decent lives compared to other slaves and even some free black people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DTFpanda@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) How anybody takes someone like that seriously is beyond me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) You've got me. I don't understand why any trans person would be a Republican, but I guess money trumps all when you're rich. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gkd@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* Because they (wrongly) believe that being “one of the good ones” will save them from being targeted by republicans and their proposed legislation like Project 2025 That doesn’t mean people who have previously voted red are in the wrong (lots of internalized homophobia can lead to opposite beliefs). But once you realize your identity and continue to vote against yours and other people’s human rights, you’re absolutely in the wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) You've got me. I don't understand why any trans person would be a Republican, but I guess money trumps all when you're rich. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gkd@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* Because they (wrongly) believe that being “one of the good ones” will save them from being targeted by republicans and their proposed legislation like Project 2025 That doesn’t mean people who have previously voted red are in the wrong (lots of internalized homophobia can lead to opposite beliefs). But once you realize your identity and continue to vote against yours and other people’s human rights, you’re absolutely in the wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gkd@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* Because they (wrongly) believe that being “one of the good ones” will save them from being targeted by republicans and their proposed legislation like Project 2025 That doesn’t mean people who have previously voted red are in the wrong (lots of internalized homophobia can lead to opposite beliefs). But once you realize your identity and continue to vote against yours and other people’s human rights, you’re absolutely in the wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] meco03211@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago Pretty sure there were slaves that actively sought to maintain slavery. In some cases, they had relatively decent lives compared to other slaves and even some free black people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago (2 children) I would imagine that becoming mayor in certain parts of the country is much easier if you’re a member of the dominant party in the region. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Or existing in society at all. Sometimes in those parts of the country the first question upon meeting someone is "what church do you go to". permalink fedilink source parent [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) He didn't have to become mayor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago No, he didn’t. But people get to want things. Sometimes they want things for themselves, sometimes they want things for their communities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago Or existing in society at all. Sometimes in those parts of the country the first question upon meeting someone is "what church do you go to". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) He didn't have to become mayor. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago No, he didn’t. But people get to want things. Sometimes they want things for themselves, sometimes they want things for their communities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago No, he didn’t. But people get to want things. Sometimes they want things for themselves, sometimes they want things for their communities. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rchive@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (4 children) You can disagree with your party on one issue. There are tons of Democrats who are opposed to increased gun control, for example. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] darq@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it's not just "an issue". We are talking about a demographic and their legal recognition. No I'm sorry but we cannot agree to disagree on something so fundamental as equal treatment of people. It's not comparable gun control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I'm talking about whether people are physically capable of breaking with their party on a single issue. They obviously are. Gallup poll permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disagreeing on policy is one thing; disagreeing on human rights is another. You cannot be a Republican and have respect for queer rights at the same time. It has to be a 100% deal-breaker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what you're talking about. There are tons of Republicans who support gay rights in some fashion, even if it's not a majority position within the party. Gallup poll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* No, there are precisely zero Republicans who support gay rights. What you've cited is a poll showing some who claim to, but are lying. Their deeds, not their words, prove their true intentions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) How likely are those Democrats to get bullied to the point of suicide if their "secret" of being against increased gun control was to come out? Or to preemptively commit suicide in anticipation of the bullying they're going to receive? This is not the same thing. Democrats are, generally speaking, flexible about a lot of their positions. It's how they wind up with problem members like Manchin and Sinema. The Republican party is very different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not the right comparison. He didn't commit suicide because he was ashamed of supporting gay rights, he was ashamed of wanting to cross dress and of having engaged in the activity. Regardless of politics, that's a pretty uncommon behavior. Most people don't want other people to know they're a sexual deviant of some kind. I'd guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left, for sure, but the point is that it's not just the breaking from the standard beliefs of that side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I’d guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left And that, right there, is exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago Good luck trying to get the terminally online to understand the nuances and complexities of the human condition permalink fedilink source parent
[–] darq@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it's not just "an issue". We are talking about a demographic and their legal recognition. No I'm sorry but we cannot agree to disagree on something so fundamental as equal treatment of people. It's not comparable gun control. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I'm talking about whether people are physically capable of breaking with their party on a single issue. They obviously are. Gallup poll permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rchive@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago I'm talking about whether people are physically capable of breaking with their party on a single issue. They obviously are. Gallup poll permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Disagreeing on policy is one thing; disagreeing on human rights is another. You cannot be a Republican and have respect for queer rights at the same time. It has to be a 100% deal-breaker. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what you're talking about. There are tons of Republicans who support gay rights in some fashion, even if it's not a majority position within the party. Gallup poll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* No, there are precisely zero Republicans who support gay rights. What you've cited is a poll showing some who claim to, but are lying. Their deeds, not their words, prove their true intentions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rchive@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I'm not sure what you're talking about. There are tons of Republicans who support gay rights in some fashion, even if it's not a majority position within the party. Gallup poll permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* No, there are precisely zero Republicans who support gay rights. What you've cited is a poll showing some who claim to, but are lying. Their deeds, not their words, prove their true intentions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* No, there are precisely zero Republicans who support gay rights. What you've cited is a poll showing some who claim to, but are lying. Their deeds, not their words, prove their true intentions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) How likely are those Democrats to get bullied to the point of suicide if their "secret" of being against increased gun control was to come out? Or to preemptively commit suicide in anticipation of the bullying they're going to receive? This is not the same thing. Democrats are, generally speaking, flexible about a lot of their positions. It's how they wind up with problem members like Manchin and Sinema. The Republican party is very different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rchive@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not the right comparison. He didn't commit suicide because he was ashamed of supporting gay rights, he was ashamed of wanting to cross dress and of having engaged in the activity. Regardless of politics, that's a pretty uncommon behavior. Most people don't want other people to know they're a sexual deviant of some kind. I'd guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left, for sure, but the point is that it's not just the breaking from the standard beliefs of that side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I’d guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left And that, right there, is exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rchive@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's not the right comparison. He didn't commit suicide because he was ashamed of supporting gay rights, he was ashamed of wanting to cross dress and of having engaged in the activity. Regardless of politics, that's a pretty uncommon behavior. Most people don't want other people to know they're a sexual deviant of some kind. I'd guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left, for sure, but the point is that it's not just the breaking from the standard beliefs of that side. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I’d guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left And that, right there, is exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FaceDeer@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago I’d guess that this behavior is much more maligned in conservative circles than liberal or left And that, right there, is exactly my point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AdmiralShat@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago Good luck trying to get the terminally online to understand the nuances and complexities of the human condition permalink fedilink source parent