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"unethically defedrate"? I think you may have misunderstood how federation works, since "defederate" is just another word for "ban yourself from seeing that instance's content", if Threads defederate from a small Mastodon instance, for example, that Mastodon instance can still see all the content on Threads, but the Threads user won't be able to see anything posted by that Mastodon instance.
Also, any instance can and should be able to federate and defederate any other instance for any or even no reason, that's the entire point.
I think threads being able to make content that's a threat to them invisible to their users by "unethically defederating" is exactly what the op is talking about. What they were likely referring to is this: https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Doesn't matter that users from other instances can still see threads content. It's about threads accumulating the majority of users due to better infrastructure and then silencing smaller instances they deem a threat to them by defederating. It's only been a few hours and they've crossed 30 million users.
Niche forums on the same topics still exist on the Internet, even ones with only 10 people posting regularly.
The current trend of the Internet seems more about decentralization to like minded groups instead of everybody being in the same place.
Also, Threads is feeding off Instagram's existing users, they didn't exactly start from zero.
I don't think extreme moderation is necessary, as I believe that most people are good and willing to be nice and helpful and can be reasoned with. However, if it is clear that someone is so consumed by hatred that they can't, then these people needs to be kicked out, otherwise they will just spread their misery to everyone else.
People who seek the same things will naturally group together, the Fediverse really isn't different than the independent forums of the early internet, except that we can use one account to access them all now, so scaling would be more on the addition of more instances. There will be good ones, there will be bad ones, but that's humanity.
Open source is about letting everybody use what you make, even those that you don't like, Facebook has the right to the ActivitHub protocol like everybody else, but so far they are doing a pretty bad job at their first attempt. I think the only way for Facebook et. al to survive is if they fire Zuck and bring in their equivalent of Nadella.
Ehh want it becomes a problem we will make blocking them possible.
To be perfectly honest I think the one way defederation block is kind of silly.