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Very clever... (lemmy.ml)
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I'm trying out Obsidian for taking notes, and this made me laugh.

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[–] 25 points 2 years ago* (51 children)

Vim really is an IDE, not a text editor. It's usable as an editor but overkill.

Nano serves a difference purpose. It's like telling someone on a bike that a mustang is better.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (37 children)

    Vim is absolutely not an IDE. It has no integrations with any language. It's just a powerful text editor. You can add language plugins and configure it to be an IDE.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    That's what most IDEs are. VS Code doesn't have any native integrations. Everything is provided by plugins. The default plugins that ship with VS Code can be disabled, and you'll have just a powerful text editor.

    (To do this, go to Extensions tab, click the filter icon, select "Built-in", and go down the list to disable all of them. Or just build a version with no built-in plugins.)

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Sure, and VSCode without any plugins is a text editor, not an IDE.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    In that case every IDE is "just a text editor" because basically every IDE is built around modularity in this same way. This is just nitpicking over what is preinstalled.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Eclipse, visual studio, pycharm, idea... Those are full blown IDEs. They come with all the extras. All the text editors that can become IDEs have extensions or plugins that enable what these other actual IDE do natively.

    Nowadays using vscode to debug a running program is common, but that was something only restricted to full blown IDEs some years ago, I'd say that vscode is lightweight IDE that can be expanded, but vim is a text editor first and foremost. You can't really debug code in vim AFAIK, the most you get is syntax highlighting, linting, automatic whitespace removal and auto formatting? Not sure about the last one.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago*

    Ah, so Code is the same as Vim if... I go out of my way to either disable things on one or install things on the other.

    Or... Or... Code is an IDE (that you can strip down) and Vim is a text editor (that you can strip up).

    We don't stop calling a computer one just because it can still boot without most of its modules. The default presentation matters.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    No offense intended here - But why is this being upvoted?

    vim absolutely is an IDE if that is how you want to use it. Syntax highlighting, linter, language specific autocomplete, integrated sed/regex. And much, much more.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    my car is absolutely a boat if you put a boat motor on the back of it and waterproof it

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago*

    I don't know that's a fair anology. Vim does what a IDE can do without almost any setup with LazyVim and Lunar Vim and a bunch other prebaked setups. Instead of writing your vscode config in JSON or using a GUI, you can use lua. It's more like turning car into a track car or something where you're already a mechanic

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Syntax highlighting, linting, and language specific autocomplete are features supported by plugins and scripts. Plain, simple vim is a powerful extensible text editor. The extensibility makes it easy to turn into an IDE.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago*

    The things you're describing are still just text editor features. An IDE generally has specific functionality for building, testing, packaging, debugging etc. for one or more programming languages/environments.

    (Which vim can do if configured, I don't really have an opinion about that tbh)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Yea, vim really isn't anything near how useful emacs is.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    Not at all what I meant. It's just, out of the box, a powerful text editor that can be configured and built on if desired. If you want it to be more than a text editor, you can easily make it so.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    "Vim is an IDE"

    https://www.vim.org/ -> Vim is a highly configurable text editor

    Press X to doubt

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nano is for those that occasionally edit text files from a terminal.

    Vim is for those who make a living out of it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    There's a guy on Youtube who does programming language tutorials/demonstrations. Like he starts out with C++ and in one hour you're at object inheritance, crash courses I guess is the term for them.

    He did one video that was as much a Vim tutorial as a tutorial for this language. "Press 3k, then enter, then i, and type "std::out("whatever C syntax is")" and then hit escape and..."

    For teaching something like a little bit of Python or a little bit of Bash or whatever, I'd rather use Nano, because you can learn how to use it in seconds. Vim is an amazing tool but lord don't try to cram a Vim tutorial into another already technical tutorial.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If you edit files a lot vim is worth its weight in gold. Nano makes me want to kill myself as everything takes so much longer.

    Nano is perfectly sufficient for a very rare edit.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    Vim absolutely chews through anything you throw at it. Lots of times we need data formated or lots of SQL queries and I'm the go to guy because I understand vim macros.

    Especially if you have any form of RSI.

    I wonder if it would be possible to make a user accessable way to expose similar power to the common user.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    So like Word vs Notepad?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not really, or that doesn't feel right to my. Word and notepad basically still do the same thing except for that word lets you add style.

    Like a manual vs an automatic car, maybe?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    Word is a WYSIWYG editor. We don't talk about it much these days because it's just how things are done, but it took a long time for the industry to come up with a way to display text on screen with rich formatting and have it come out the same way in print. There was a lot of buzz around it in the late 80s and early 90s.

    Word solves a completely different problem than an IDE. Notepad is a raw, minimal tool that could be built on for either WYSIWYG or an IDE.

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