▲ 2346 ▼ Very clever... (lemmy.ml) submitted 2 years ago by Jorgelino@lemmy.ml to c/programmerhumor@lemmy.ml 289 comments fedilink hide all child comments I'm trying out Obsidian for taking notes, and this made me laugh.
[–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 177 points 2 years ago (106 children) nano crew where you at permalink fedilink source hideshow 106 child comments replies: [–] folkrav@lemmy.world 134 points 2 years ago* (15 children) It's hard to hate nano, but IMHO there also isn't anything to like in particular either. It's basically a TUI notepad. It's there, it lets people edit files... and that's pretty much all there is to it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 153 points 2 years ago (7 children) You can use nano without having to read anything about nano. That might be the only thing that is better about it than vim, but it's a damn important thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 71 points 2 years ago (6 children) I have zero patience when trying to make small adjustments to files, which is what my command line text editor should be for. Nano just has everything at the bottom in case you forget (I do, frequently) so the workflow is ridiculously streamlined for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (5 children) Absolutely. It also has whole-line cut/uncut which is a godsend when working with config files permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] indepndnt@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Ironically, that's like the one thing I've learned to do in Vim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago it's basically a TUI notepad. It's there, it does one job and that's all there is to it That's what the people who like it like about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 years ago (3 children) That’s it’s job What else is there for it to do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] folkrav@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* I mean, why compare it with vim at all then. Apples and oranges... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Spider89@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago Forget KISS, amirite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago Yeah it literally follows the UNIX philosophy permalink fedilink source parent [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago nano is just... There when you need a text editor for something. Simple and purposeful permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] marduk@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 2 years ago* I like nano because it has worked any time I needed it. I don't dislike nano because I'm not good enough at Linux to have ever run into its limitations permalink fedilink source parent [+] penquin@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (73 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 73 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago* (51 children) Vim really is an IDE, not a text editor. It's usable as an editor but overkill. Nano serves a difference purpose. It's like telling someone on a bike that a mustang is better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 51 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 30 points 2 years ago (37 children) Vim is absolutely not an IDE. It has no integrations with any language. It's just a powerful text editor. You can add language plugins and configure it to be an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 37 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (6 children) That's what most IDEs are. VS Code doesn't have any native integrations. Everything is provided by plugins. The default plugins that ship with VS Code can be disabled, and you'll have just a powerful text editor. (To do this, go to Extensions tab, click the filter icon, select "Built-in", and go down the list to disable all of them. Or just build a version with no built-in plugins.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) Sure, and VSCode without any plugins is a text editor, not an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (9 children) No offense intended here - But why is this being upvoted? vim absolutely is an IDE if that is how you want to use it. Syntax highlighting, linter, language specific autocomplete, integrated sed/regex. And much, much more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) my car is absolutely a boat if you put a boat motor on the back of it and waterproof it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago "You see here my car has positions for all the parts of a boat so it's easily made into a boat and it's already waterproof but it's just a normal car" permalink fedilink source parent [–] naught@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* I don't know that's a fair anology. Vim does what a IDE can do without almost any setup with LazyVim and Lunar Vim and a bunch other prebaked setups. Instead of writing your vscode config in JSON or using a GUI, you can use lua. It's more like turning car into a track car or something where you're already a mechanic permalink fedilink source parent [–] kogasa@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Syntax highlighting, linting, and language specific autocomplete are features supported by plugins and scripts. Plain, simple vim is a powerful extensible text editor. The extensibility makes it easy to turn into an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* The things you're describing are still just text editor features. An IDE generally has specific functionality for building, testing, packaging, debugging etc. for one or more programming languages/environments. (Which vim can do if configured, I don't really have an opinion about that tbh) permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (9 children) It literally has a built in scripting language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (8 children) So it's an IDE for vimscript...? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (10 replies) [–] Gentoo1337@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "Vim is an IDE" https://www.vim.org/ -> Vim is a highly configurable text editor Press X to doubt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] techt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) In case of a house fire, I'd only escape with two things: my cat and my .vimrc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 7 points 2 years ago I guess it depends on if you're the type of person who sees VSCode as an IDE or just a text editor. Vim is effectively the same way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Slotos@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nano is for those that occasionally edit text files from a terminal. Vim is for those who make a living out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you edit files a lot vim is worth its weight in gold. Nano makes me want to kill myself as everything takes so much longer. Nano is perfectly sufficient for a very rare edit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago Vim absolutely chews through anything you throw at it. Lots of times we need data formated or lots of SQL queries and I'm the go to guy because I understand vim macros. Especially if you have any form of RSI. I wonder if it would be possible to make a user accessable way to expose similar power to the common user. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) So like Word vs Notepad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not really, or that doesn't feel right to my. Word and notepad basically still do the same thing except for that word lets you add style. Like a manual vs an automatic car, maybe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago* Word is a WYSIWYG editor. We don't talk about it much these days because it's just how things are done, but it took a long time for the industry to come up with a way to display text on screen with rich formatting and have it come out the same way in print. There was a lot of buzz around it in the late 80s and early 90s. Word solves a completely different problem than an IDE. Notepad is a raw, minimal tool that could be built on for either WYSIWYG or an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] uzay@infosec.pub 9 points 2 years ago (9 children) It just makes a lot of stuff way easier once you know how to use it. Switching out a word for another: two button-presses, duplicating a line: three presses, deleting 500 consecutive lines: five presses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] xilliah@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) What if I want to undo my life's mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Church of Emacs is always there ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (5 replies) [–] folkrav@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (9 children) I never get the need to use a mechanical pencil and graphite pencils exists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) I’ll level with you: I’m kind of a moron. If my command line text editor has its own bespoke integrated command line, then science has gone too far and we need to stop lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] locuester@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 years ago (5 children) nano gang checking in. However, I’ve been forced over time to remember “:wq” to get unstuck should vim randomly appear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] dukk@programming.dev 14 points 2 years ago Alternatively, you can save a key and use :x (And :q! to quit without saving) Yeah, that’s such a Vim user thing to say :P permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies) [–] ensignrick@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago I personally like nano but it's what I used first. So I learned the commands. Vim I still forget Everytime. permalink fedilink source parent [–] The_Walkening@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) % of the time I'm using nano to edit something in the terminal, and it's usually something really minor. I'm using GUIs for the majority of my computing anyway, so if I need some robust text editing, I've got a bunch of easier-to-learn, easier-to-use options available, and that's totally ignoring things like awk, grep, sed, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] habanhero@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago Pico gang reporting in. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (5 replies)
[–] folkrav@lemmy.world 134 points 2 years ago* (15 children) It's hard to hate nano, but IMHO there also isn't anything to like in particular either. It's basically a TUI notepad. It's there, it lets people edit files... and that's pretty much all there is to it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 153 points 2 years ago (7 children) You can use nano without having to read anything about nano. That might be the only thing that is better about it than vim, but it's a damn important thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 71 points 2 years ago (6 children) I have zero patience when trying to make small adjustments to files, which is what my command line text editor should be for. Nano just has everything at the bottom in case you forget (I do, frequently) so the workflow is ridiculously streamlined for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (5 children) Absolutely. It also has whole-line cut/uncut which is a godsend when working with config files permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] indepndnt@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Ironically, that's like the one thing I've learned to do in Vim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago it's basically a TUI notepad. It's there, it does one job and that's all there is to it That's what the people who like it like about it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 years ago (3 children) That’s it’s job What else is there for it to do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] folkrav@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* I mean, why compare it with vim at all then. Apples and oranges... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Spider89@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago Forget KISS, amirite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago Yeah it literally follows the UNIX philosophy permalink fedilink source parent [–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago nano is just... There when you need a text editor for something. Simple and purposeful permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 153 points 2 years ago (7 children) You can use nano without having to read anything about nano. That might be the only thing that is better about it than vim, but it's a damn important thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 71 points 2 years ago (6 children) I have zero patience when trying to make small adjustments to files, which is what my command line text editor should be for. Nano just has everything at the bottom in case you forget (I do, frequently) so the workflow is ridiculously streamlined for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (5 children) Absolutely. It also has whole-line cut/uncut which is a godsend when working with config files permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] indepndnt@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Ironically, that's like the one thing I've learned to do in Vim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 71 points 2 years ago (6 children) I have zero patience when trying to make small adjustments to files, which is what my command line text editor should be for. Nano just has everything at the bottom in case you forget (I do, frequently) so the workflow is ridiculously streamlined for me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (5 children) Absolutely. It also has whole-line cut/uncut which is a godsend when working with config files permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] indepndnt@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Ironically, that's like the one thing I've learned to do in Vim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (5 children) Absolutely. It also has whole-line cut/uncut which is a godsend when working with config files permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] indepndnt@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Ironically, that's like the one thing I've learned to do in Vim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] indepndnt@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) Ironically, that's like the one thing I've learned to do in Vim. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago it's basically a TUI notepad. It's there, it does one job and that's all there is to it That's what the people who like it like about it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 years ago (3 children) That’s it’s job What else is there for it to do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] folkrav@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* I mean, why compare it with vim at all then. Apples and oranges... permalink fedilink source parent [–] Spider89@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago Forget KISS, amirite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago Yeah it literally follows the UNIX philosophy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] folkrav@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* I mean, why compare it with vim at all then. Apples and oranges... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Amends1782@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago Yeah it literally follows the UNIX philosophy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 years ago nano is just... There when you need a text editor for something. Simple and purposeful permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marduk@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 2 years ago* I like nano because it has worked any time I needed it. I don't dislike nano because I'm not good enough at Linux to have ever run into its limitations permalink fedilink source parent
[+] penquin@lemm.ee 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (73 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 73 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago* (51 children) Vim really is an IDE, not a text editor. It's usable as an editor but overkill. Nano serves a difference purpose. It's like telling someone on a bike that a mustang is better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 51 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 30 points 2 years ago (37 children) Vim is absolutely not an IDE. It has no integrations with any language. It's just a powerful text editor. You can add language plugins and configure it to be an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 37 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (6 children) That's what most IDEs are. VS Code doesn't have any native integrations. Everything is provided by plugins. The default plugins that ship with VS Code can be disabled, and you'll have just a powerful text editor. (To do this, go to Extensions tab, click the filter icon, select "Built-in", and go down the list to disable all of them. Or just build a version with no built-in plugins.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) Sure, and VSCode without any plugins is a text editor, not an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (9 children) No offense intended here - But why is this being upvoted? vim absolutely is an IDE if that is how you want to use it. Syntax highlighting, linter, language specific autocomplete, integrated sed/regex. And much, much more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) my car is absolutely a boat if you put a boat motor on the back of it and waterproof it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago "You see here my car has positions for all the parts of a boat so it's easily made into a boat and it's already waterproof but it's just a normal car" permalink fedilink source parent [–] naught@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* I don't know that's a fair anology. Vim does what a IDE can do without almost any setup with LazyVim and Lunar Vim and a bunch other prebaked setups. Instead of writing your vscode config in JSON or using a GUI, you can use lua. It's more like turning car into a track car or something where you're already a mechanic permalink fedilink source parent [–] kogasa@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Syntax highlighting, linting, and language specific autocomplete are features supported by plugins and scripts. Plain, simple vim is a powerful extensible text editor. The extensibility makes it easy to turn into an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* The things you're describing are still just text editor features. An IDE generally has specific functionality for building, testing, packaging, debugging etc. for one or more programming languages/environments. (Which vim can do if configured, I don't really have an opinion about that tbh) permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (9 children) It literally has a built in scripting language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (8 children) So it's an IDE for vimscript...? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (10 replies) [–] Gentoo1337@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "Vim is an IDE" https://www.vim.org/ -> Vim is a highly configurable text editor Press X to doubt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] techt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) In case of a house fire, I'd only escape with two things: my cat and my .vimrc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 7 points 2 years ago I guess it depends on if you're the type of person who sees VSCode as an IDE or just a text editor. Vim is effectively the same way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Slotos@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nano is for those that occasionally edit text files from a terminal. Vim is for those who make a living out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you edit files a lot vim is worth its weight in gold. Nano makes me want to kill myself as everything takes so much longer. Nano is perfectly sufficient for a very rare edit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago Vim absolutely chews through anything you throw at it. Lots of times we need data formated or lots of SQL queries and I'm the go to guy because I understand vim macros. Especially if you have any form of RSI. I wonder if it would be possible to make a user accessable way to expose similar power to the common user. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) So like Word vs Notepad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not really, or that doesn't feel right to my. Word and notepad basically still do the same thing except for that word lets you add style. Like a manual vs an automatic car, maybe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago* Word is a WYSIWYG editor. We don't talk about it much these days because it's just how things are done, but it took a long time for the industry to come up with a way to display text on screen with rich formatting and have it come out the same way in print. There was a lot of buzz around it in the late 80s and early 90s. Word solves a completely different problem than an IDE. Notepad is a raw, minimal tool that could be built on for either WYSIWYG or an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply) [–] uzay@infosec.pub 9 points 2 years ago (9 children) It just makes a lot of stuff way easier once you know how to use it. Switching out a word for another: two button-presses, duplicating a line: three presses, deleting 500 consecutive lines: five presses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] xilliah@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) What if I want to undo my life's mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Church of Emacs is always there ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (5 replies) [–] folkrav@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (9 children) I never get the need to use a mechanical pencil and graphite pencils exists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) I’ll level with you: I’m kind of a moron. If my command line text editor has its own bespoke integrated command line, then science has gone too far and we need to stop lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (6 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] bioemerl@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago* (51 children) Vim really is an IDE, not a text editor. It's usable as an editor but overkill. Nano serves a difference purpose. It's like telling someone on a bike that a mustang is better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 51 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 30 points 2 years ago (37 children) Vim is absolutely not an IDE. It has no integrations with any language. It's just a powerful text editor. You can add language plugins and configure it to be an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 37 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (6 children) That's what most IDEs are. VS Code doesn't have any native integrations. Everything is provided by plugins. The default plugins that ship with VS Code can be disabled, and you'll have just a powerful text editor. (To do this, go to Extensions tab, click the filter icon, select "Built-in", and go down the list to disable all of them. Or just build a version with no built-in plugins.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) Sure, and VSCode without any plugins is a text editor, not an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (9 children) No offense intended here - But why is this being upvoted? vim absolutely is an IDE if that is how you want to use it. Syntax highlighting, linter, language specific autocomplete, integrated sed/regex. And much, much more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) my car is absolutely a boat if you put a boat motor on the back of it and waterproof it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago "You see here my car has positions for all the parts of a boat so it's easily made into a boat and it's already waterproof but it's just a normal car" permalink fedilink source parent [–] naught@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* I don't know that's a fair anology. Vim does what a IDE can do without almost any setup with LazyVim and Lunar Vim and a bunch other prebaked setups. Instead of writing your vscode config in JSON or using a GUI, you can use lua. It's more like turning car into a track car or something where you're already a mechanic permalink fedilink source parent [–] kogasa@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Syntax highlighting, linting, and language specific autocomplete are features supported by plugins and scripts. Plain, simple vim is a powerful extensible text editor. The extensibility makes it easy to turn into an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* The things you're describing are still just text editor features. An IDE generally has specific functionality for building, testing, packaging, debugging etc. for one or more programming languages/environments. (Which vim can do if configured, I don't really have an opinion about that tbh) permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (9 children) It literally has a built in scripting language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (8 children) So it's an IDE for vimscript...? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (10 replies) [–] Gentoo1337@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "Vim is an IDE" https://www.vim.org/ -> Vim is a highly configurable text editor Press X to doubt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] techt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) In case of a house fire, I'd only escape with two things: my cat and my .vimrc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 7 points 2 years ago I guess it depends on if you're the type of person who sees VSCode as an IDE or just a text editor. Vim is effectively the same way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Slotos@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nano is for those that occasionally edit text files from a terminal. Vim is for those who make a living out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you edit files a lot vim is worth its weight in gold. Nano makes me want to kill myself as everything takes so much longer. Nano is perfectly sufficient for a very rare edit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago Vim absolutely chews through anything you throw at it. Lots of times we need data formated or lots of SQL queries and I'm the go to guy because I understand vim macros. Especially if you have any form of RSI. I wonder if it would be possible to make a user accessable way to expose similar power to the common user. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) So like Word vs Notepad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not really, or that doesn't feel right to my. Word and notepad basically still do the same thing except for that word lets you add style. Like a manual vs an automatic car, maybe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago* Word is a WYSIWYG editor. We don't talk about it much these days because it's just how things are done, but it took a long time for the industry to come up with a way to display text on screen with rich formatting and have it come out the same way in print. There was a lot of buzz around it in the late 80s and early 90s. Word solves a completely different problem than an IDE. Notepad is a raw, minimal tool that could be built on for either WYSIWYG or an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] kogasa@programming.dev 30 points 2 years ago (37 children) Vim is absolutely not an IDE. It has no integrations with any language. It's just a powerful text editor. You can add language plugins and configure it to be an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 37 child comments replies: [–] hperrin@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (6 children) That's what most IDEs are. VS Code doesn't have any native integrations. Everything is provided by plugins. The default plugins that ship with VS Code can be disabled, and you'll have just a powerful text editor. (To do this, go to Extensions tab, click the filter icon, select "Built-in", and go down the list to disable all of them. Or just build a version with no built-in plugins.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) Sure, and VSCode without any plugins is a text editor, not an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply) [–] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (9 children) No offense intended here - But why is this being upvoted? vim absolutely is an IDE if that is how you want to use it. Syntax highlighting, linter, language specific autocomplete, integrated sed/regex. And much, much more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) my car is absolutely a boat if you put a boat motor on the back of it and waterproof it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago "You see here my car has positions for all the parts of a boat so it's easily made into a boat and it's already waterproof but it's just a normal car" permalink fedilink source parent [–] naught@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* I don't know that's a fair anology. Vim does what a IDE can do without almost any setup with LazyVim and Lunar Vim and a bunch other prebaked setups. Instead of writing your vscode config in JSON or using a GUI, you can use lua. It's more like turning car into a track car or something where you're already a mechanic permalink fedilink source parent [–] kogasa@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Syntax highlighting, linting, and language specific autocomplete are features supported by plugins and scripts. Plain, simple vim is a powerful extensible text editor. The extensibility makes it easy to turn into an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* The things you're describing are still just text editor features. An IDE generally has specific functionality for building, testing, packaging, debugging etc. for one or more programming languages/environments. (Which vim can do if configured, I don't really have an opinion about that tbh) permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies) [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (9 children) It literally has a built in scripting language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (8 children) So it's an IDE for vimscript...? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies) load more comments (10 replies)
[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (6 children) That's what most IDEs are. VS Code doesn't have any native integrations. Everything is provided by plugins. The default plugins that ship with VS Code can be disabled, and you'll have just a powerful text editor. (To do this, go to Extensions tab, click the filter icon, select "Built-in", and go down the list to disable all of them. Or just build a version with no built-in plugins.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) Sure, and VSCode without any plugins is a text editor, not an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies) load more comments (1 reply)
[–] kogasa@programming.dev 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) Sure, and VSCode without any plugins is a text editor, not an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments load more comments (4 replies)
[–] Bo7a@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago (9 children) No offense intended here - But why is this being upvoted? vim absolutely is an IDE if that is how you want to use it. Syntax highlighting, linter, language specific autocomplete, integrated sed/regex. And much, much more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) my car is absolutely a boat if you put a boat motor on the back of it and waterproof it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago "You see here my car has positions for all the parts of a boat so it's easily made into a boat and it's already waterproof but it's just a normal car" permalink fedilink source parent [–] naught@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* I don't know that's a fair anology. Vim does what a IDE can do without almost any setup with LazyVim and Lunar Vim and a bunch other prebaked setups. Instead of writing your vscode config in JSON or using a GUI, you can use lua. It's more like turning car into a track car or something where you're already a mechanic permalink fedilink source parent [–] kogasa@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Syntax highlighting, linting, and language specific autocomplete are features supported by plugins and scripts. Plain, simple vim is a powerful extensible text editor. The extensibility makes it easy to turn into an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* The things you're describing are still just text editor features. An IDE generally has specific functionality for building, testing, packaging, debugging etc. for one or more programming languages/environments. (Which vim can do if configured, I don't really have an opinion about that tbh) permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (2 replies)
[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) my car is absolutely a boat if you put a boat motor on the back of it and waterproof it permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago "You see here my car has positions for all the parts of a boat so it's easily made into a boat and it's already waterproof but it's just a normal car" permalink fedilink source parent [–] naught@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* I don't know that's a fair anology. Vim does what a IDE can do without almost any setup with LazyVim and Lunar Vim and a bunch other prebaked setups. Instead of writing your vscode config in JSON or using a GUI, you can use lua. It's more like turning car into a track car or something where you're already a mechanic permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bioemerl@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago "You see here my car has positions for all the parts of a boat so it's easily made into a boat and it's already waterproof but it's just a normal car" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* I don't know that's a fair anology. Vim does what a IDE can do without almost any setup with LazyVim and Lunar Vim and a bunch other prebaked setups. Instead of writing your vscode config in JSON or using a GUI, you can use lua. It's more like turning car into a track car or something where you're already a mechanic permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kogasa@programming.dev 10 points 2 years ago (2 children) Syntax highlighting, linting, and language specific autocomplete are features supported by plugins and scripts. Plain, simple vim is a powerful extensible text editor. The extensibility makes it easy to turn into an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* The things you're describing are still just text editor features. An IDE generally has specific functionality for building, testing, packaging, debugging etc. for one or more programming languages/environments. (Which vim can do if configured, I don't really have an opinion about that tbh) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (9 children) It literally has a built in scripting language. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] kogasa@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (8 children) So it's an IDE for vimscript...? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies)
[–] kogasa@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago (8 children) So it's an IDE for vimscript...? No. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments load more comments (8 replies)
[–] Gentoo1337@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago* (3 children) "Vim is an IDE" https://www.vim.org/ -> Vim is a highly configurable text editor Press X to doubt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] techt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) In case of a house fire, I'd only escape with two things: my cat and my .vimrc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 7 points 2 years ago I guess it depends on if you're the type of person who sees VSCode as an IDE or just a text editor. Vim is effectively the same way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] techt@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) In case of a house fire, I'd only escape with two things: my cat and my .vimrc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net 7 points 2 years ago I guess it depends on if you're the type of person who sees VSCode as an IDE or just a text editor. Vim is effectively the same way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Slotos@feddit.nl 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nano is for those that occasionally edit text files from a terminal. Vim is for those who make a living out of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) If you edit files a lot vim is worth its weight in gold. Nano makes me want to kill myself as everything takes so much longer. Nano is perfectly sufficient for a very rare edit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago Vim absolutely chews through anything you throw at it. Lots of times we need data formated or lots of SQL queries and I'm the go to guy because I understand vim macros. Especially if you have any form of RSI. I wonder if it would be possible to make a user accessable way to expose similar power to the common user. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bioemerl@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago Vim absolutely chews through anything you throw at it. Lots of times we need data formated or lots of SQL queries and I'm the go to guy because I understand vim macros. Especially if you have any form of RSI. I wonder if it would be possible to make a user accessable way to expose similar power to the common user. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) So like Word vs Notepad? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not really, or that doesn't feel right to my. Word and notepad basically still do the same thing except for that word lets you add style. Like a manual vs an automatic car, maybe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago* Word is a WYSIWYG editor. We don't talk about it much these days because it's just how things are done, but it took a long time for the industry to come up with a way to display text on screen with rich formatting and have it come out the same way in print. There was a lot of buzz around it in the late 80s and early 90s. Word solves a completely different problem than an IDE. Notepad is a raw, minimal tool that could be built on for either WYSIWYG or an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] bioemerl@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Not really, or that doesn't feel right to my. Word and notepad basically still do the same thing except for that word lets you add style. Like a manual vs an automatic car, maybe? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago* Word is a WYSIWYG editor. We don't talk about it much these days because it's just how things are done, but it took a long time for the industry to come up with a way to display text on screen with rich formatting and have it come out the same way in print. There was a lot of buzz around it in the late 80s and early 90s. Word solves a completely different problem than an IDE. Notepad is a raw, minimal tool that could be built on for either WYSIWYG or an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 2 years ago* Word is a WYSIWYG editor. We don't talk about it much these days because it's just how things are done, but it took a long time for the industry to come up with a way to display text on screen with rich formatting and have it come out the same way in print. There was a lot of buzz around it in the late 80s and early 90s. Word solves a completely different problem than an IDE. Notepad is a raw, minimal tool that could be built on for either WYSIWYG or an IDE. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uzay@infosec.pub 9 points 2 years ago (9 children) It just makes a lot of stuff way easier once you know how to use it. Switching out a word for another: two button-presses, duplicating a line: three presses, deleting 500 consecutive lines: five presses permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] xilliah@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) What if I want to undo my life's mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Church of Emacs is always there ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (5 replies)
[–] xilliah@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) What if I want to undo my life's mistakes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Church of Emacs is always there ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) Church of Emacs is always there ;) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] folkrav@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (9 children) I never get the need to use a mechanical pencil and graphite pencils exists permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) I’ll level with you: I’m kind of a moron. If my command line text editor has its own bespoke integrated command line, then science has gone too far and we need to stop lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (6 replies)
[–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) I’ll level with you: I’m kind of a moron. If my command line text editor has its own bespoke integrated command line, then science has gone too far and we need to stop lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] locuester@lemmy.zip 29 points 2 years ago (5 children) nano gang checking in. However, I’ve been forced over time to remember “:wq” to get unstuck should vim randomly appear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] dukk@programming.dev 14 points 2 years ago Alternatively, you can save a key and use :x (And :q! to quit without saving) Yeah, that’s such a Vim user thing to say :P permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (4 replies)
[–] dukk@programming.dev 14 points 2 years ago Alternatively, you can save a key and use :x (And :q! to quit without saving) Yeah, that’s such a Vim user thing to say :P permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ensignrick@startrek.website 8 points 2 years ago I personally like nano but it's what I used first. So I learned the commands. Vim I still forget Everytime. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] The_Walkening@hexbear.net 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) % of the time I'm using nano to edit something in the terminal, and it's usually something really minor. I'm using GUIs for the majority of my computing anyway, so if I need some robust text editing, I've got a bunch of easier-to-learn, easier-to-use options available, and that's totally ignoring things like awk, grep, sed, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)