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I'm guessing you mean Hamas' military branch? Because it's the Hamas Government that is running out of fuel, plus all the UNRWA schools and NGO hospitals.
So even if Hamas' military has fuel, It's not enough for 2 million people, so it doesn't matter.
This siege is preventing basic goods from entering to innocent civilians. Trying to get people to look away is really lame.
It's 500,000 liters. You don't just get to say that doesn't matter. Especially when the fuel the UN brought in was also stolen by Hamas. If Hamas is stealing and hoarding all the fuel, then they do carry the blame for the lack of fuel. What good is it doing anyone if everything there will just be stolen by Hamas and then used for further attacks?
The lack of fuel is caused by Israeli illegal blockage on Gaza (which is also a war crime btw). Yes, there is a chance the military side of Hamas has fuel tucked away, but the main cause is still Israel stopping any goods from entering.
By the end of today, if volunteers can no longer bring fuel to the hospitals, about 130 babies are risking death within minutes without incubators. Let's not fucking kid ourselves... Israel is the problem. Whatever Hamas "steals" as you claim (something the UNRWA later denied) is only a drop in the ocean when we talk about 2 million residents who haven't gotten basic needs that would normally flow into Gaza on a daily basis.
Those 130 babies will literally not die. For starters.
How are you ignoring the fact that Hamas takes the fuel. The UN just said they had their fuel stolen. So those babies will die, more Israelis will die, and more Palestinians will die.
If the UN had forces guarding supplies and stopping theft, that might be different. But you are asking Israel to allow in supplies that are be and will continue to be stolen and used in attacks against Israel. Ignoring that it will not save civilians.
So why doesn't Israel distribute fuel to civilian Palestinians in Gaza?
Because their government, Hamas, is in charge of that. The logistics to distribute fuel would require reoccupation of the Gaza Strip.
I feel like we're missing the part where Israel could just turn the power back on... if Hamas has fuel to run their weapons what is even the point of cutting electricity?
Hamas steals fuel supplies from the UN in Gaza. So supplying the UNWRA fuel is going to give Hamas more fuel.
If the UN want a humanitarian aid they need to send blue hats entitled to protect the aid like they do in Africa.
I think you're missing my point.
Do you think the entire power grid of Gaza is run off fossil fuel generators inside of Gaza?
I'll just cut to the chase. Here, have an infographic from the UN that might be slightly out of date but will still give you a much better understanding of the situation
I'm aware that Israel provides massive amounts of monetary and in kind aid to Palestinians both in the West Bank and the Gaza strip.
I'm questioning why Hamas, as the defacto government of the Gaza Strip, expects that aid to continue to flow after declaring war? That's stupid. The phrase is, "Don't bite the hand that feeds you."
I'm sorry is this really your whole argument for why Israel should be allowed to do war crimes?
It's not a war crime to decline to arm your enemy.
Yes collective punishment is a war crime
Now please stop bothering me with these low effort comments
Did you read that document? It's banning things like reprisals (the act of killing random civilians as a response for military members being killed). Nowhere in there does it demand you supply the civilians of the government your at war with in the territory that government controls.
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I'm sorry is this really your whole argument for why Israel should be allowed to do war crimes?
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Generally, as a competent government, you don't attack and call for the genocide of your neighbors; starting a war. And then expect that neighbor to fund your war effort.
Here we have someone trying to say that withholding food and medicine and fuel for 2.2m people, half of which are children, is the same as not funding your enemy's war efforts.
Fuck me sideways.
Turns out food, fuel and medicine are considered dual purpose goods. They have civilian purposes and they have military applications. When you declare a war against your neighbor; you shouldn't expect that neighbor to fund, at it's own expense, your economy.
Ah yes for Israel to give humanitarian aid it has to commit 2-3 more war crimes.
Because they'd be attacked, kidnapped, and/or killed. Seriously what kind of question is this? How do you propose they go into Gaza, distribute the aid, and not get attacked. Hamas is rolling right up to the aid and stealing it. Are you suggesting Israel completely occupy the region and maintain security in order to distribute aid?
No, I'm suggesting that Israel is a genocidal colonial force that needs to fuck off.
What do you mean by fuck off?
Stop their colonialism and apartheid.
I'm the Gaza Strip, they have. The strip has the 1967 borders and no settlements.
What do you consider their colonialism?
I consider it wrong.
So edgy and clever. What parts of what used to be called Mandatory Palestine, and is currently considered Israel and the territories of Palestine, do you consider colonialism?
All of Israel. I don't think it's so hard, is it?
Ah there it is. So ethnic cleansing it is then? That's what you're supporting. And where do you suppose the almost 10 million people will go?
You absolute antisemitic little fool. How will that make peace? What will happen with the people? What is the history of the region and those people? None of that matters, huh? Just all of Israel should fuck off. It isn't that you want peace. It is that you've decided one group is an outsider and they have no rights to be where they are. And how do you imagine that will play out?
Nope, like I said, Jewish people can stay and live under Palestine, which I believe was one of the three names they were going to give Palestine anyway, instead they went with Israel.
They can have full rights under a democracy where both Palestinians and Jews vote.
What Israel is doing now is the ethnic cleansing. This is not, this is liberation.
LOL bugger off.
So Hamas murdered civilians, children, elderly, at gun point then burnt their houses down and took hostages but the answer is for everyone to go live with Hamas so they can all be murdered by terrorists that very vocally say their goal is to erase Israel and kill all the Jews?
Why don't you go live in Palestine and help directly then? Plenty of people have gone to help such as Rachel Corrie.
Shit by your logic we could give Gaza to turkey because the Ottoman Empire had it for over 400 years. Such brave Internet logic. Everything is so black and white. Tell me more about how terrorists threatening to kill hostages are improving everything for everyone.
I said a democratically elected Palestinian government where Jews and Palestinians are equal and full citizens. I said nothing about Hamas.
I literally cannot. Israel won't let me in because I'm a Palestinian refugee. Israel kicked my mother's family out in 1948, they had been terrorized by Deir Yassin and left to Jordan (yes, we were ethnically cleansed). Same year my father's family leave Yaafa for the same reason and he grows up in a refugee camp in Jordan. Fast forward to the 90's and I'm born. I also support BDS so Israel won't ever grant me a visa even if I just go for a conference lol not to mention I don't really appreciate being humiliated and strip-searched and potentially put in jail. I can't enter Gaza either.
I keep saying "Palestinians", you keep saying "Hamas". This is black-whiting it.