▲ 306 ▼ [CW: Slurs] Any attempt to connect with my dad immediately turns into "Woke liberals are ruining the world." (lemmy.ca) submitted 2 years ago by Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world NSFW 97 comments fedilink hide all child comments NSFW'd for language.
[–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca [S] 73 points 2 years ago (8 children) Thanks. Trust me, we've all mentioned it to him. He's convinced nobody likes him because he's a conservative. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 74 points 2 years ago (1 child) That’s projection. He doesn’t like people because they aren’t conservative and he’s projecting that same feeling onto others and treats them as he thinks they would treat him. With hostility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnusrufus@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (2 children) To be fair he might not like some people because they are black, trans, or little people regardless of if they are conservative or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wonder how many trans conservatives there are, the only one I can think of is Caitlyn Jenner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Another instance where conservative is synonymous with opportunist. permalink fedilink source parent [+] bane_killgrind@kbin.social -13 points 2 years ago I can't find any indication a black, trans little person exists. permalink fedilink source parent [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (1 child) The catch here is that I don’t like people who try to destroy my friends’ lives. Since the conservative platform is to destroy many of my friends’ lives, I don’t like people who follow the conservative platform. Conservatives like to treat this as bigotry when it actually isn’t. It’s intolerance of intolerance, which is not just acceptable, but necessary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -40 points 2 years ago (3 children) I’m sorry what? Can you substantiate what you said about the conservative platform? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) The clear anti-LGBTQ+ conservative stance is no secret. Same with the white supremacy and Christian nationalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) The claim is that the platform is based on wanting to destroy lives. Are you saying that the “clear” anti-LGBTQ+ stance is such that they are seeking to destroy the lives of those people? I’ve never once heard anyone on the right declare a desire to destroy anyone’s lives. I’m open to being proven wrong, but that would require a link to such a declaration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This feels like a bad faith hair-splitting argument. But just in case you’re not being deliberately obtuse, the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid. Just because they don’t explicitly say “our platform is specifically to maliciously destroy the lives of these people”, doesn’t mean the de facto platform is not destructive of those lives. Edit: Freudian typo hate->hair permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid Yes, I’m very familiar with this image of conservatives. The difference is I’m asking you to link to a conservative individual or organization taking this stance. What you consider “bad faith” is me issuing a challenge that I don’t think you’re going to be able to meet. It’s a rhetorical method where you’re supposed to try and then realize you can’t, and then have the presence of mind to realize that it’s significant that you can’t find this thing you claim exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Are you fucking kidding me? It took all of two seconds to find a catalog of the conservative scion himself actively stripping LGBTQ+ rights: https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lgbtq-rights-rollback Unless for some reason the only valid rhetorical claim is for there to be a recognized conservative leadership organization explicitly codifying in its charter that trans people should die, you’re wasting my time with your willful ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, just look at literally anything they've done in the past few decades. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -11 points 2 years ago That probably works well for convincing people who already agree with you. When someone claims “A” and I say “I’m skeptical of this A”, a rejoinder like “Well A is obvious if you look at things” isn’t very convincing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 years ago Also just like more generally if you take "conservative" to mean "keep things the way they are" and accept the way things are is pretty bad for a lot of people, it becomes difficult to ethically support a conservative stance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Xariphon@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nobody likes him because he's an asshole. The two do tend to go together though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) They do. Ever wonder what happens to a person’s personality when they are ostracized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shapillon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Self doubt? Questioning why it might've happened? permalink fedilink source parent [–] fbbfan_ar@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's convinced nobody likes him because he's a conservative. And for some people that would be true. Conservatism seems to carry some intrinsically hideous notions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It doesn't seem to, their entire platform is based on wanting everyone who isn't a rich white male to suffer. At this point, if you vote conservative, you're automatically a bad person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -27 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well it’s clear you get all your information about conservativism from non-conservatives. When you make up hyperbolic claims to justify why you don’t like X group of people, it’s easy to see right through that to the fact you just don’t like X group of people. Someone who says “Jews drink blood and that’s why I don’t like them” may seem on the surface that they’re declaring a very natural and healthy dislike of people who drink blood. But by caricaturing a people with that horrible claim which they know damn well isn’t true, they’re actually justifying their own hatred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) If you vote for a party whose platform is revoking the rights of others, and whose leadership is full of traitors trying to destroy our democracy, you're a bad person. Full stop. Also, you should be ashamed for your antisemitic strawman. permalink fedilink source parent [–] billwashere@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago “No dad, it’s because you’re a conservative asshole….” Boy I’m glad my immediate family isn’t like this. Distant cousins on the other hand? There’s a reason I’m not on Facebook. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 16 points 2 years ago He's convinced nobody likes him because he's a conservative. That's the brainwashing speaking. permalink fedilink source parent [–] saturnus@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yeah there usually not much you can do but hope for a change. Mine had drinking problems and was much like this. Went sober finally and he still is similar politically just not insufferable and can take a joke so it’s far more pleasant to be around him. Good luck… permalink fedilink source parent [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So if he were polite and conservative, you’d have no problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca [S] 11 points 2 years ago Yes? I have friends with all sorts of political beliefs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 74 points 2 years ago (1 child) That’s projection. He doesn’t like people because they aren’t conservative and he’s projecting that same feeling onto others and treats them as he thinks they would treat him. With hostility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] magnusrufus@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (2 children) To be fair he might not like some people because they are black, trans, or little people regardless of if they are conservative or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wonder how many trans conservatives there are, the only one I can think of is Caitlyn Jenner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Another instance where conservative is synonymous with opportunist. permalink fedilink source parent [+] bane_killgrind@kbin.social -13 points 2 years ago I can't find any indication a black, trans little person exists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] magnusrufus@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (2 children) To be fair he might not like some people because they are black, trans, or little people regardless of if they are conservative or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wonder how many trans conservatives there are, the only one I can think of is Caitlyn Jenner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Another instance where conservative is synonymous with opportunist. permalink fedilink source parent [+] bane_killgrind@kbin.social -13 points 2 years ago I can't find any indication a black, trans little person exists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) I wonder how many trans conservatives there are, the only one I can think of is Caitlyn Jenner. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Another instance where conservative is synonymous with opportunist. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Another instance where conservative is synonymous with opportunist. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] bane_killgrind@kbin.social -13 points 2 years ago I can't find any indication a black, trans little person exists. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago (1 child) The catch here is that I don’t like people who try to destroy my friends’ lives. Since the conservative platform is to destroy many of my friends’ lives, I don’t like people who follow the conservative platform. Conservatives like to treat this as bigotry when it actually isn’t. It’s intolerance of intolerance, which is not just acceptable, but necessary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -40 points 2 years ago (3 children) I’m sorry what? Can you substantiate what you said about the conservative platform? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) The clear anti-LGBTQ+ conservative stance is no secret. Same with the white supremacy and Christian nationalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) The claim is that the platform is based on wanting to destroy lives. Are you saying that the “clear” anti-LGBTQ+ stance is such that they are seeking to destroy the lives of those people? I’ve never once heard anyone on the right declare a desire to destroy anyone’s lives. I’m open to being proven wrong, but that would require a link to such a declaration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This feels like a bad faith hair-splitting argument. But just in case you’re not being deliberately obtuse, the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid. Just because they don’t explicitly say “our platform is specifically to maliciously destroy the lives of these people”, doesn’t mean the de facto platform is not destructive of those lives. Edit: Freudian typo hate->hair permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid Yes, I’m very familiar with this image of conservatives. The difference is I’m asking you to link to a conservative individual or organization taking this stance. What you consider “bad faith” is me issuing a challenge that I don’t think you’re going to be able to meet. It’s a rhetorical method where you’re supposed to try and then realize you can’t, and then have the presence of mind to realize that it’s significant that you can’t find this thing you claim exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Are you fucking kidding me? It took all of two seconds to find a catalog of the conservative scion himself actively stripping LGBTQ+ rights: https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lgbtq-rights-rollback Unless for some reason the only valid rhetorical claim is for there to be a recognized conservative leadership organization explicitly codifying in its charter that trans people should die, you’re wasting my time with your willful ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, just look at literally anything they've done in the past few decades. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -11 points 2 years ago That probably works well for convincing people who already agree with you. When someone claims “A” and I say “I’m skeptical of this A”, a rejoinder like “Well A is obvious if you look at things” isn’t very convincing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 years ago Also just like more generally if you take "conservative" to mean "keep things the way they are" and accept the way things are is pretty bad for a lot of people, it becomes difficult to ethically support a conservative stance. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -40 points 2 years ago (3 children) I’m sorry what? Can you substantiate what you said about the conservative platform? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) The clear anti-LGBTQ+ conservative stance is no secret. Same with the white supremacy and Christian nationalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) The claim is that the platform is based on wanting to destroy lives. Are you saying that the “clear” anti-LGBTQ+ stance is such that they are seeking to destroy the lives of those people? I’ve never once heard anyone on the right declare a desire to destroy anyone’s lives. I’m open to being proven wrong, but that would require a link to such a declaration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This feels like a bad faith hair-splitting argument. But just in case you’re not being deliberately obtuse, the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid. Just because they don’t explicitly say “our platform is specifically to maliciously destroy the lives of these people”, doesn’t mean the de facto platform is not destructive of those lives. Edit: Freudian typo hate->hair permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid Yes, I’m very familiar with this image of conservatives. The difference is I’m asking you to link to a conservative individual or organization taking this stance. What you consider “bad faith” is me issuing a challenge that I don’t think you’re going to be able to meet. It’s a rhetorical method where you’re supposed to try and then realize you can’t, and then have the presence of mind to realize that it’s significant that you can’t find this thing you claim exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Are you fucking kidding me? It took all of two seconds to find a catalog of the conservative scion himself actively stripping LGBTQ+ rights: https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lgbtq-rights-rollback Unless for some reason the only valid rhetorical claim is for there to be a recognized conservative leadership organization explicitly codifying in its charter that trans people should die, you’re wasting my time with your willful ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, just look at literally anything they've done in the past few decades. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -11 points 2 years ago That probably works well for convincing people who already agree with you. When someone claims “A” and I say “I’m skeptical of this A”, a rejoinder like “Well A is obvious if you look at things” isn’t very convincing. permalink fedilink source parent [–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 years ago Also just like more generally if you take "conservative" to mean "keep things the way they are" and accept the way things are is pretty bad for a lot of people, it becomes difficult to ethically support a conservative stance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) The clear anti-LGBTQ+ conservative stance is no secret. Same with the white supremacy and Christian nationalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) The claim is that the platform is based on wanting to destroy lives. Are you saying that the “clear” anti-LGBTQ+ stance is such that they are seeking to destroy the lives of those people? I’ve never once heard anyone on the right declare a desire to destroy anyone’s lives. I’m open to being proven wrong, but that would require a link to such a declaration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This feels like a bad faith hair-splitting argument. But just in case you’re not being deliberately obtuse, the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid. Just because they don’t explicitly say “our platform is specifically to maliciously destroy the lives of these people”, doesn’t mean the de facto platform is not destructive of those lives. Edit: Freudian typo hate->hair permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid Yes, I’m very familiar with this image of conservatives. The difference is I’m asking you to link to a conservative individual or organization taking this stance. What you consider “bad faith” is me issuing a challenge that I don’t think you’re going to be able to meet. It’s a rhetorical method where you’re supposed to try and then realize you can’t, and then have the presence of mind to realize that it’s significant that you can’t find this thing you claim exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Are you fucking kidding me? It took all of two seconds to find a catalog of the conservative scion himself actively stripping LGBTQ+ rights: https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lgbtq-rights-rollback Unless for some reason the only valid rhetorical claim is for there to be a recognized conservative leadership organization explicitly codifying in its charter that trans people should die, you’re wasting my time with your willful ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -16 points 2 years ago (1 child) The claim is that the platform is based on wanting to destroy lives. Are you saying that the “clear” anti-LGBTQ+ stance is such that they are seeking to destroy the lives of those people? I’ve never once heard anyone on the right declare a desire to destroy anyone’s lives. I’m open to being proven wrong, but that would require a link to such a declaration. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This feels like a bad faith hair-splitting argument. But just in case you’re not being deliberately obtuse, the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid. Just because they don’t explicitly say “our platform is specifically to maliciously destroy the lives of these people”, doesn’t mean the de facto platform is not destructive of those lives. Edit: Freudian typo hate->hair permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid Yes, I’m very familiar with this image of conservatives. The difference is I’m asking you to link to a conservative individual or organization taking this stance. What you consider “bad faith” is me issuing a challenge that I don’t think you’re going to be able to meet. It’s a rhetorical method where you’re supposed to try and then realize you can’t, and then have the presence of mind to realize that it’s significant that you can’t find this thing you claim exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Are you fucking kidding me? It took all of two seconds to find a catalog of the conservative scion himself actively stripping LGBTQ+ rights: https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lgbtq-rights-rollback Unless for some reason the only valid rhetorical claim is for there to be a recognized conservative leadership organization explicitly codifying in its charter that trans people should die, you’re wasting my time with your willful ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* (1 child) This feels like a bad faith hair-splitting argument. But just in case you’re not being deliberately obtuse, the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid. Just because they don’t explicitly say “our platform is specifically to maliciously destroy the lives of these people”, doesn’t mean the de facto platform is not destructive of those lives. Edit: Freudian typo hate->hair permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid Yes, I’m very familiar with this image of conservatives. The difference is I’m asking you to link to a conservative individual or organization taking this stance. What you consider “bad faith” is me issuing a challenge that I don’t think you’re going to be able to meet. It’s a rhetorical method where you’re supposed to try and then realize you can’t, and then have the presence of mind to realize that it’s significant that you can’t find this thing you claim exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Are you fucking kidding me? It took all of two seconds to find a catalog of the conservative scion himself actively stripping LGBTQ+ rights: https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lgbtq-rights-rollback Unless for some reason the only valid rhetorical claim is for there to be a recognized conservative leadership organization explicitly codifying in its charter that trans people should die, you’re wasting my time with your willful ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -14 points 2 years ago (1 child) the conservative platform views LGBTQ+ rights, minority voting rights, women’s bodily rights, and many other important matters of human freedom and livelihood as invalid Yes, I’m very familiar with this image of conservatives. The difference is I’m asking you to link to a conservative individual or organization taking this stance. What you consider “bad faith” is me issuing a challenge that I don’t think you’re going to be able to meet. It’s a rhetorical method where you’re supposed to try and then realize you can’t, and then have the presence of mind to realize that it’s significant that you can’t find this thing you claim exists. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Are you fucking kidding me? It took all of two seconds to find a catalog of the conservative scion himself actively stripping LGBTQ+ rights: https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lgbtq-rights-rollback Unless for some reason the only valid rhetorical claim is for there to be a recognized conservative leadership organization explicitly codifying in its charter that trans people should die, you’re wasting my time with your willful ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EvilBit@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago Are you fucking kidding me? It took all of two seconds to find a catalog of the conservative scion himself actively stripping LGBTQ+ rights: https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/lgbtq-rights-rollback Unless for some reason the only valid rhetorical claim is for there to be a recognized conservative leadership organization explicitly codifying in its charter that trans people should die, you’re wasting my time with your willful ignorance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, just look at literally anything they've done in the past few decades. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -11 points 2 years ago That probably works well for convincing people who already agree with you. When someone claims “A” and I say “I’m skeptical of this A”, a rejoinder like “Well A is obvious if you look at things” isn’t very convincing. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -11 points 2 years ago That probably works well for convincing people who already agree with you. When someone claims “A” and I say “I’m skeptical of this A”, a rejoinder like “Well A is obvious if you look at things” isn’t very convincing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 years ago Also just like more generally if you take "conservative" to mean "keep things the way they are" and accept the way things are is pretty bad for a lot of people, it becomes difficult to ethically support a conservative stance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) Nobody likes him because he's an asshole. The two do tend to go together though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) They do. Ever wonder what happens to a person’s personality when they are ostracized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shapillon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Self doubt? Questioning why it might've happened? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) They do. Ever wonder what happens to a person’s personality when they are ostracized? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shapillon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Self doubt? Questioning why it might've happened? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shapillon@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Self doubt? Questioning why it might've happened? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fbbfan_ar@lemmynsfw.com 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) He's convinced nobody likes him because he's a conservative. And for some people that would be true. Conservatism seems to carry some intrinsically hideous notions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It doesn't seem to, their entire platform is based on wanting everyone who isn't a rich white male to suffer. At this point, if you vote conservative, you're automatically a bad person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -27 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well it’s clear you get all your information about conservativism from non-conservatives. When you make up hyperbolic claims to justify why you don’t like X group of people, it’s easy to see right through that to the fact you just don’t like X group of people. Someone who says “Jews drink blood and that’s why I don’t like them” may seem on the surface that they’re declaring a very natural and healthy dislike of people who drink blood. But by caricaturing a people with that horrible claim which they know damn well isn’t true, they’re actually justifying their own hatred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) If you vote for a party whose platform is revoking the rights of others, and whose leadership is full of traitors trying to destroy our democracy, you're a bad person. Full stop. Also, you should be ashamed for your antisemitic strawman. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) It doesn't seem to, their entire platform is based on wanting everyone who isn't a rich white male to suffer. At this point, if you vote conservative, you're automatically a bad person. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -27 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well it’s clear you get all your information about conservativism from non-conservatives. When you make up hyperbolic claims to justify why you don’t like X group of people, it’s easy to see right through that to the fact you just don’t like X group of people. Someone who says “Jews drink blood and that’s why I don’t like them” may seem on the surface that they’re declaring a very natural and healthy dislike of people who drink blood. But by caricaturing a people with that horrible claim which they know damn well isn’t true, they’re actually justifying their own hatred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) If you vote for a party whose platform is revoking the rights of others, and whose leadership is full of traitors trying to destroy our democracy, you're a bad person. Full stop. Also, you should be ashamed for your antisemitic strawman. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] intensely_human@lemm.ee -27 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well it’s clear you get all your information about conservativism from non-conservatives. When you make up hyperbolic claims to justify why you don’t like X group of people, it’s easy to see right through that to the fact you just don’t like X group of people. Someone who says “Jews drink blood and that’s why I don’t like them” may seem on the surface that they’re declaring a very natural and healthy dislike of people who drink blood. But by caricaturing a people with that horrible claim which they know damn well isn’t true, they’re actually justifying their own hatred. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) If you vote for a party whose platform is revoking the rights of others, and whose leadership is full of traitors trying to destroy our democracy, you're a bad person. Full stop. Also, you should be ashamed for your antisemitic strawman. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thepianistfroggollum@lemmynsfw.com 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) If you vote for a party whose platform is revoking the rights of others, and whose leadership is full of traitors trying to destroy our democracy, you're a bad person. Full stop. Also, you should be ashamed for your antisemitic strawman. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago “No dad, it’s because you’re a conservative asshole….” Boy I’m glad my immediate family isn’t like this. Distant cousins on the other hand? There’s a reason I’m not on Facebook. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 16 points 2 years ago He's convinced nobody likes him because he's a conservative. That's the brainwashing speaking. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] saturnus@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Yeah there usually not much you can do but hope for a change. Mine had drinking problems and was much like this. Went sober finally and he still is similar politically just not insufferable and can take a joke so it’s far more pleasant to be around him. Good luck… permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So if he were polite and conservative, you’d have no problem? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca [S] 11 points 2 years ago Yes? I have friends with all sorts of political beliefs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca [S] 11 points 2 years ago Yes? I have friends with all sorts of political beliefs. permalink fedilink source parent
