▲ 667 ▼ Biden Warns Israel Not to Occupy Gaza (www.nytimes.com) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 260 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 187 points 2 years ago (5 children) Stop funding it. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] APassenger@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's this part. We're telling them they've gone too far, seeing rules... and giving them weapons. Are we giving them seasons so they listen? And if they don't listen, doesn't this make us complicit and with exceedingly poor intensional optics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) They know that the worst that will happen is a stern warning. "Don't do that again, but it was justified. But don't do it... OK, just a little bit, but still." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The wink and the nod really spoil the effect of the stern look and strong finger wagging... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gargantuanthud@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I think they meant to say sanctions, not seasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomocity@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guess is "setting rules" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago "We're telling you not to do this thing, and we assure you all we'll ever do about you still doing it is to tell you again not to do it whilst carrying on helping you to do it" permalink fedilink source parent [–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago How much Israeli money do you reckon went into the pockets of members of the fascist "freedom" caucus? permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago Congress would need to initiate it unfortunately permalink fedilink source parent [+] starclaude@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Perhaps stop funding Hamas. USA has given Palestine several billions of dollars in aid, which they divert to the hands of Hamas. Ditto for rest of the western world. It isn't just Iran and Qatar who enable them, it's all of us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] treefrog@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.stad.social 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Also worth adding, since people don't seem to realise this: The majority of Palestinians alive today were not of voting age when Hamas won those elections, and a very substantial proportion were not even born. And even then, of course, while Hamas won the largest number of votes, even back then they still only had the support of a minority (ca. 44%) of the electorate. Exit polls during the same election showed near 80% support for a peace agreement with Israel, and 75% who wanted Hamas policy towards Israel to change. In other words: It's also disingenuous to see even the support for Hamas that was there in elections as support for the more extreme aspects of Hamas' actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.stad.social 5 points 2 years ago* From: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah In other words, the vast majority of people in Gaza want the PA administration wants Hamas stripped of power. Given the numbers, this includes even people who have a positive view of Hamas overall. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 67 points 2 years ago (3 children) It's this part. We're telling them they've gone too far, seeing rules... and giving them weapons. Are we giving them seasons so they listen? And if they don't listen, doesn't this make us complicit and with exceedingly poor intensional optics? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) They know that the worst that will happen is a stern warning. "Don't do that again, but it was justified. But don't do it... OK, just a little bit, but still." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The wink and the nod really spoil the effect of the stern look and strong finger wagging... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gargantuanthud@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I think they meant to say sanctions, not seasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomocity@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guess is "setting rules" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago "We're telling you not to do this thing, and we assure you all we'll ever do about you still doing it is to tell you again not to do it whilst carrying on helping you to do it" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (1 child) They know that the worst that will happen is a stern warning. "Don't do that again, but it was justified. But don't do it... OK, just a little bit, but still." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The wink and the nod really spoil the effect of the stern look and strong finger wagging... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) The wink and the nod really spoil the effect of the stern look and strong finger wagging... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gargantuanthud@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I think they meant to say sanctions, not seasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomocity@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guess is "setting rules" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gargantuanthud@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) I think they meant to say sanctions, not seasons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomocity@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guess is "setting rules" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Randomocity@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guess is "setting rules" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Randomocity@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) My guess is "setting rules" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] trash80@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago "We're telling you not to do this thing, and we assure you all we'll ever do about you still doing it is to tell you again not to do it whilst carrying on helping you to do it" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago How much Israeli money do you reckon went into the pockets of members of the fascist "freedom" caucus? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago Congress would need to initiate it unfortunately permalink fedilink source parent
[+] fosforus@sopuli.xyz -31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Perhaps stop funding Hamas. USA has given Palestine several billions of dollars in aid, which they divert to the hands of Hamas. Ditto for rest of the western world. It isn't just Iran and Qatar who enable them, it's all of us. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] treefrog@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.stad.social 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Also worth adding, since people don't seem to realise this: The majority of Palestinians alive today were not of voting age when Hamas won those elections, and a very substantial proportion were not even born. And even then, of course, while Hamas won the largest number of votes, even back then they still only had the support of a minority (ca. 44%) of the electorate. Exit polls during the same election showed near 80% support for a peace agreement with Israel, and 75% who wanted Hamas policy towards Israel to change. In other words: It's also disingenuous to see even the support for Hamas that was there in elections as support for the more extreme aspects of Hamas' actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.stad.social 5 points 2 years ago* From: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah In other words, the vast majority of people in Gaza want the PA administration wants Hamas stripped of power. Given the numbers, this includes even people who have a positive view of Hamas overall. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] treefrog@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.stad.social 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Also worth adding, since people don't seem to realise this: The majority of Palestinians alive today were not of voting age when Hamas won those elections, and a very substantial proportion were not even born. And even then, of course, while Hamas won the largest number of votes, even back then they still only had the support of a minority (ca. 44%) of the electorate. Exit polls during the same election showed near 80% support for a peace agreement with Israel, and 75% who wanted Hamas policy towards Israel to change. In other words: It's also disingenuous to see even the support for Hamas that was there in elections as support for the more extreme aspects of Hamas' actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.stad.social 5 points 2 years ago* From: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah In other words, the vast majority of people in Gaza want the PA administration wants Hamas stripped of power. Given the numbers, this includes even people who have a positive view of Hamas overall. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tony@lemmy.stad.social 18 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Also worth adding, since people don't seem to realise this: The majority of Palestinians alive today were not of voting age when Hamas won those elections, and a very substantial proportion were not even born. And even then, of course, while Hamas won the largest number of votes, even back then they still only had the support of a minority (ca. 44%) of the electorate. Exit polls during the same election showed near 80% support for a peace agreement with Israel, and 75% who wanted Hamas policy towards Israel to change. In other words: It's also disingenuous to see even the support for Hamas that was there in elections as support for the more extreme aspects of Hamas' actions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] tony@lemmy.stad.social 5 points 2 years ago* From: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah In other words, the vast majority of people in Gaza want the PA administration wants Hamas stripped of power. Given the numbers, this includes even people who have a positive view of Hamas overall. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tony@lemmy.stad.social 5 points 2 years ago* From: https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah In other words, the vast majority of people in Gaza want the PA administration wants Hamas stripped of power. Given the numbers, this includes even people who have a positive view of Hamas overall. permalink fedilink source parent