▲ 845 ▼ Kevin McCarthy is ousted as House speaker in a historic vote pushed by conservatives (www.nbcnews.com) submitted 2 years ago by 18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 263 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 82 points 2 years ago (1 child) Delete conservatism and religion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (3 children) If you deleted religion would conservatism even survive a few generations? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) Have you like looked at Japan or any communist country. Japan is 62% non-religious and is highly social conservative. Czechia is the least religious country in the world but they also obviously have a conservative politics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pthaloblue@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not that they're not religious. They just don't pick only one. As they say, "Born Shinto, married Christian, die Buddhist" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I love that quote, that's so accurate. Especially with how many funerary schools are primarily Buddhist in Japan along with the vast majority of their burials. It's actually uncommon for a mortician to prepare a body for a wake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had a Japanese boss tell me the state religion of Japan is “being Japanese”. That struck me as being so very true during my few months living there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Could be remnants from past religious values and teachings? This says Japan has at least 70% of the population following religious practices in 2019? https://www.statista.com/statistics/237609/religions-in-japan/ The majority of Japanese adhere to Shintoism, a traditional Japanese religion focusing on rituals and worship at shrines. In 2019, around 70 percent of the total population of Japan participated in Shinto practices. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) There are always going to be people who like how things are or who preferred how things were, regardless of whether it was actually good for them or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That isn't what political conservatism means though. Political conservatism is running the government into the ground infavor of private business interests while also villifying minority groups and idolizing authoritarian. It has nothing to do with being conservative about changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Well, it's supposed to be about conservative changes. But instead it's exactly as you described. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You are describing Neoconservative and/or Trumptard "conservative" policies. In the political textbooks, Conservative does mean the ones who want to preserve traditional ways of doing things, conserving money by reducing wasteful spending, conserving our military forces by not engaging in wars of foreign intervention. That type of textbook Conservative is a lot harder to find in government since 9/11 happened and turned America into the shit version that we have now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it's religion that brainwashes a huge portion of them to blindly follow and obey even when it hurts them or isn't good for them. Take away religion and the conservative base vanishes. They wouldn't be able to win elections. Religion no longer blocks the way to progress, things improve, people don't get sucked into the conservative rabbit hole the same way. Slowly but surely, at least what we consider conservatives today and in the past would cease to exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I wouldn't be so confident that the removal of religion would be such a panacea for humanity. These social structures developed for a reason and things would likely appear to fill the vacuum. People already raise up companies and cults of personality in place of formal religion as it is. Even just being a republican party supporter has a certain degree of cult like devotion. If your view of a conservative is a person of deep religious conviction, then sure, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In other words, humans love to simp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Humans collectively have a lot of pent up craziness, angst, and existential terror... and it's got to go somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't think all conservatives are deeply religious, but it's the religious that prop them up. So much hate and death in human existence stems from religion. That hate breeds hate even outside the religious, quickening its spread. If it was gone, humanity would finally be able to begin the healing process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have no qualms about the dissolution of religious structures, but I feel like you're underestimating humanity's ability to self-sabotage when envisioning such a rose tinted portrayal of a post-religion society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I am, but maybe we should just abolish that first and see how things go before also abolishing conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Are we talking about active abolition...? You want to just say "no religion anymore" to any and every person you consider religious? "I'm kind of spiritual sometimes..." may lead to some grey areas. Surely secular education and encouragement is the key. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore. It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago It would be a serious blow at minimum permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (3 children) If you deleted religion would conservatism even survive a few generations? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) Have you like looked at Japan or any communist country. Japan is 62% non-religious and is highly social conservative. Czechia is the least religious country in the world but they also obviously have a conservative politics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pthaloblue@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not that they're not religious. They just don't pick only one. As they say, "Born Shinto, married Christian, die Buddhist" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I love that quote, that's so accurate. Especially with how many funerary schools are primarily Buddhist in Japan along with the vast majority of their burials. It's actually uncommon for a mortician to prepare a body for a wake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had a Japanese boss tell me the state religion of Japan is “being Japanese”. That struck me as being so very true during my few months living there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Could be remnants from past religious values and teachings? This says Japan has at least 70% of the population following religious practices in 2019? https://www.statista.com/statistics/237609/religions-in-japan/ The majority of Japanese adhere to Shintoism, a traditional Japanese religion focusing on rituals and worship at shrines. In 2019, around 70 percent of the total population of Japan participated in Shinto practices. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) There are always going to be people who like how things are or who preferred how things were, regardless of whether it was actually good for them or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That isn't what political conservatism means though. Political conservatism is running the government into the ground infavor of private business interests while also villifying minority groups and idolizing authoritarian. It has nothing to do with being conservative about changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Well, it's supposed to be about conservative changes. But instead it's exactly as you described. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You are describing Neoconservative and/or Trumptard "conservative" policies. In the political textbooks, Conservative does mean the ones who want to preserve traditional ways of doing things, conserving money by reducing wasteful spending, conserving our military forces by not engaging in wars of foreign intervention. That type of textbook Conservative is a lot harder to find in government since 9/11 happened and turned America into the shit version that we have now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it's religion that brainwashes a huge portion of them to blindly follow and obey even when it hurts them or isn't good for them. Take away religion and the conservative base vanishes. They wouldn't be able to win elections. Religion no longer blocks the way to progress, things improve, people don't get sucked into the conservative rabbit hole the same way. Slowly but surely, at least what we consider conservatives today and in the past would cease to exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I wouldn't be so confident that the removal of religion would be such a panacea for humanity. These social structures developed for a reason and things would likely appear to fill the vacuum. People already raise up companies and cults of personality in place of formal religion as it is. Even just being a republican party supporter has a certain degree of cult like devotion. If your view of a conservative is a person of deep religious conviction, then sure, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In other words, humans love to simp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Humans collectively have a lot of pent up craziness, angst, and existential terror... and it's got to go somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't think all conservatives are deeply religious, but it's the religious that prop them up. So much hate and death in human existence stems from religion. That hate breeds hate even outside the religious, quickening its spread. If it was gone, humanity would finally be able to begin the healing process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have no qualms about the dissolution of religious structures, but I feel like you're underestimating humanity's ability to self-sabotage when envisioning such a rose tinted portrayal of a post-religion society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I am, but maybe we should just abolish that first and see how things go before also abolishing conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Are we talking about active abolition...? You want to just say "no religion anymore" to any and every person you consider religious? "I'm kind of spiritual sometimes..." may lead to some grey areas. Surely secular education and encouragement is the key. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore. It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago It would be a serious blow at minimum permalink fedilink source parent
[–] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 years ago (2 children) Have you like looked at Japan or any communist country. Japan is 62% non-religious and is highly social conservative. Czechia is the least religious country in the world but they also obviously have a conservative politics. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pthaloblue@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not that they're not religious. They just don't pick only one. As they say, "Born Shinto, married Christian, die Buddhist" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I love that quote, that's so accurate. Especially with how many funerary schools are primarily Buddhist in Japan along with the vast majority of their burials. It's actually uncommon for a mortician to prepare a body for a wake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had a Japanese boss tell me the state religion of Japan is “being Japanese”. That struck me as being so very true during my few months living there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Could be remnants from past religious values and teachings? This says Japan has at least 70% of the population following religious practices in 2019? https://www.statista.com/statistics/237609/religions-in-japan/ The majority of Japanese adhere to Shintoism, a traditional Japanese religion focusing on rituals and worship at shrines. In 2019, around 70 percent of the total population of Japan participated in Shinto practices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pthaloblue@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's not that they're not religious. They just don't pick only one. As they say, "Born Shinto, married Christian, die Buddhist" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I love that quote, that's so accurate. Especially with how many funerary schools are primarily Buddhist in Japan along with the vast majority of their burials. It's actually uncommon for a mortician to prepare a body for a wake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had a Japanese boss tell me the state religion of Japan is “being Japanese”. That struck me as being so very true during my few months living there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I love that quote, that's so accurate. Especially with how many funerary schools are primarily Buddhist in Japan along with the vast majority of their burials. It's actually uncommon for a mortician to prepare a body for a wake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had a Japanese boss tell me the state religion of Japan is “being Japanese”. That struck me as being so very true during my few months living there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had a Japanese boss tell me the state religion of Japan is “being Japanese”. That struck me as being so very true during my few months living there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Stovetop@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* Could be remnants from past religious values and teachings? This says Japan has at least 70% of the population following religious practices in 2019? https://www.statista.com/statistics/237609/religions-in-japan/ The majority of Japanese adhere to Shintoism, a traditional Japanese religion focusing on rituals and worship at shrines. In 2019, around 70 percent of the total population of Japan participated in Shinto practices. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) There are always going to be people who like how things are or who preferred how things were, regardless of whether it was actually good for them or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That isn't what political conservatism means though. Political conservatism is running the government into the ground infavor of private business interests while also villifying minority groups and idolizing authoritarian. It has nothing to do with being conservative about changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Well, it's supposed to be about conservative changes. But instead it's exactly as you described. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You are describing Neoconservative and/or Trumptard "conservative" policies. In the political textbooks, Conservative does mean the ones who want to preserve traditional ways of doing things, conserving money by reducing wasteful spending, conserving our military forces by not engaging in wars of foreign intervention. That type of textbook Conservative is a lot harder to find in government since 9/11 happened and turned America into the shit version that we have now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it's religion that brainwashes a huge portion of them to blindly follow and obey even when it hurts them or isn't good for them. Take away religion and the conservative base vanishes. They wouldn't be able to win elections. Religion no longer blocks the way to progress, things improve, people don't get sucked into the conservative rabbit hole the same way. Slowly but surely, at least what we consider conservatives today and in the past would cease to exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I wouldn't be so confident that the removal of religion would be such a panacea for humanity. These social structures developed for a reason and things would likely appear to fill the vacuum. People already raise up companies and cults of personality in place of formal religion as it is. Even just being a republican party supporter has a certain degree of cult like devotion. If your view of a conservative is a person of deep religious conviction, then sure, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In other words, humans love to simp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Humans collectively have a lot of pent up craziness, angst, and existential terror... and it's got to go somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't think all conservatives are deeply religious, but it's the religious that prop them up. So much hate and death in human existence stems from religion. That hate breeds hate even outside the religious, quickening its spread. If it was gone, humanity would finally be able to begin the healing process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have no qualms about the dissolution of religious structures, but I feel like you're underestimating humanity's ability to self-sabotage when envisioning such a rose tinted portrayal of a post-religion society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I am, but maybe we should just abolish that first and see how things go before also abolishing conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Are we talking about active abolition...? You want to just say "no religion anymore" to any and every person you consider religious? "I'm kind of spiritual sometimes..." may lead to some grey areas. Surely secular education and encouragement is the key. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore. It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] snooggums@kbin.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children) That isn't what political conservatism means though. Political conservatism is running the government into the ground infavor of private business interests while also villifying minority groups and idolizing authoritarian. It has nothing to do with being conservative about changes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Well, it's supposed to be about conservative changes. But instead it's exactly as you described. permalink fedilink source parent [–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You are describing Neoconservative and/or Trumptard "conservative" policies. In the political textbooks, Conservative does mean the ones who want to preserve traditional ways of doing things, conserving money by reducing wasteful spending, conserving our military forces by not engaging in wars of foreign intervention. That type of textbook Conservative is a lot harder to find in government since 9/11 happened and turned America into the shit version that we have now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Well, it's supposed to be about conservative changes. But instead it's exactly as you described. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago You are describing Neoconservative and/or Trumptard "conservative" policies. In the political textbooks, Conservative does mean the ones who want to preserve traditional ways of doing things, conserving money by reducing wasteful spending, conserving our military forces by not engaging in wars of foreign intervention. That type of textbook Conservative is a lot harder to find in government since 9/11 happened and turned America into the shit version that we have now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) But it's religion that brainwashes a huge portion of them to blindly follow and obey even when it hurts them or isn't good for them. Take away religion and the conservative base vanishes. They wouldn't be able to win elections. Religion no longer blocks the way to progress, things improve, people don't get sucked into the conservative rabbit hole the same way. Slowly but surely, at least what we consider conservatives today and in the past would cease to exist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I wouldn't be so confident that the removal of religion would be such a panacea for humanity. These social structures developed for a reason and things would likely appear to fill the vacuum. People already raise up companies and cults of personality in place of formal religion as it is. Even just being a republican party supporter has a certain degree of cult like devotion. If your view of a conservative is a person of deep religious conviction, then sure, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In other words, humans love to simp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Humans collectively have a lot of pent up craziness, angst, and existential terror... and it's got to go somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't think all conservatives are deeply religious, but it's the religious that prop them up. So much hate and death in human existence stems from religion. That hate breeds hate even outside the religious, quickening its spread. If it was gone, humanity would finally be able to begin the healing process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have no qualms about the dissolution of religious structures, but I feel like you're underestimating humanity's ability to self-sabotage when envisioning such a rose tinted portrayal of a post-religion society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I am, but maybe we should just abolish that first and see how things go before also abolishing conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Are we talking about active abolition...? You want to just say "no religion anymore" to any and every person you consider religious? "I'm kind of spiritual sometimes..." may lead to some grey areas. Surely secular education and encouragement is the key. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore. It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago* (2 children) I wouldn't be so confident that the removal of religion would be such a panacea for humanity. These social structures developed for a reason and things would likely appear to fill the vacuum. People already raise up companies and cults of personality in place of formal religion as it is. Even just being a republican party supporter has a certain degree of cult like devotion. If your view of a conservative is a person of deep religious conviction, then sure, I guess. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In other words, humans love to simp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Humans collectively have a lot of pent up craziness, angst, and existential terror... and it's got to go somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't think all conservatives are deeply religious, but it's the religious that prop them up. So much hate and death in human existence stems from religion. That hate breeds hate even outside the religious, quickening its spread. If it was gone, humanity would finally be able to begin the healing process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have no qualms about the dissolution of religious structures, but I feel like you're underestimating humanity's ability to self-sabotage when envisioning such a rose tinted portrayal of a post-religion society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I am, but maybe we should just abolish that first and see how things go before also abolishing conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Are we talking about active abolition...? You want to just say "no religion anymore" to any and every person you consider religious? "I'm kind of spiritual sometimes..." may lead to some grey areas. Surely secular education and encouragement is the key. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore. It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) In other words, humans love to simp. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Humans collectively have a lot of pent up craziness, angst, and existential terror... and it's got to go somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago Humans collectively have a lot of pent up craziness, angst, and existential terror... and it's got to go somewhere. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I don't think all conservatives are deeply religious, but it's the religious that prop them up. So much hate and death in human existence stems from religion. That hate breeds hate even outside the religious, quickening its spread. If it was gone, humanity would finally be able to begin the healing process. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have no qualms about the dissolution of religious structures, but I feel like you're underestimating humanity's ability to self-sabotage when envisioning such a rose tinted portrayal of a post-religion society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I am, but maybe we should just abolish that first and see how things go before also abolishing conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Are we talking about active abolition...? You want to just say "no religion anymore" to any and every person you consider religious? "I'm kind of spiritual sometimes..." may lead to some grey areas. Surely secular education and encouragement is the key. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore. It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I have no qualms about the dissolution of religious structures, but I feel like you're underestimating humanity's ability to self-sabotage when envisioning such a rose tinted portrayal of a post-religion society. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I am, but maybe we should just abolish that first and see how things go before also abolishing conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Are we talking about active abolition...? You want to just say "no religion anymore" to any and every person you consider religious? "I'm kind of spiritual sometimes..." may lead to some grey areas. Surely secular education and encouragement is the key. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore. It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe I am, but maybe we should just abolish that first and see how things go before also abolishing conservatives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Are we talking about active abolition...? You want to just say "no religion anymore" to any and every person you consider religious? "I'm kind of spiritual sometimes..." may lead to some grey areas. Surely secular education and encouragement is the key. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore. It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Are we talking about active abolition...? You want to just say "no religion anymore" to any and every person you consider religious? "I'm kind of spiritual sometimes..." may lead to some grey areas. Surely secular education and encouragement is the key. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore. It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well the original comment was about deleting it. Boom, it doesn't exist anymore. It's not like that's going to happen, but society is going to be held back until we naturally move away from it, and people stop keep trying to impose it on others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago It would be a serious blow at minimum permalink fedilink source parent