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Proton services discussion (leaf.dance)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'll start off by saying everyone's economic situations are just as varied as their threat models and how people make decisions on which services can be specific to themself and not one that can apply to anyone else. The services one chooses to use for free or to pay for may be based more on what they can afford vs what's the best broad reaching plan.

That being said i'd like to see what others think about the proton suit of services. I've been eyeing it as an option for a paid service for a while but am hesitant to put all my eggs in one basket. I'm interested in a vpn, mullvad seems to be the other popular choice. I'm also interested in email address anonymizing service like anonaddy. At $5 for mullvad, $3 for anonaddy, and $3 for base proton email it comes out to a dollar more than protons premium tier which gets cheaper if you pay for 1 or 2 years at a time.

As said above would the biggest reason not to use proton for all of these separate services be not putting all your eggs in one basket?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't trust Proton enough to use it exclusively. Personally I use their free email tier as a secondary mailbox.

They are not fully open source (I found only web client source code)
Their last independent audit was in 2021 and was done for beta version of their email
The audit itself was for security, nothing related to privacy
They advertise their email service as encrypted: encrypted:

End-to-end encryption Proton Mail is a private email service that uses open source, independently audited end-to-end encryption and zero-access encryption to secure your communications. This protects against data breaches and ensures no one (not even Proton) can access your inbox. Only you can read your messages.

Which I see as deceptive: end-to-end encryption is working without user involvement only for emails between Proton mailboxes. In other cases user needs to establish PGP encryption on their own. Inbox may be not accessible by Proton (we actually have no clue because server side code is closed source), but unencrypted incoming messages can be easily intercepted by Proton relays.

I'm not saying that Proton does all this nefarious stuff, but their marketing is questionable.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@pound_heap

When you send an encrypted email to a non-Proton user, you click on the lock icon to encrypt the email and assign it a password, which you need to get to your user. The recipient then receives an email with a link. They click on the link, enter the password and and can then view your email, which to my understanding is decrypted client-side.

https://proton.me/support/password-protected-emails

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