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I'm with Kira (startrek.website)
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[–] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Absolutely. Go tell all those gay and trans people that they should’ve showed their murderers more compassion.

I’m not saying that what you suggest is impossible, but it’s idealistic and naïve.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Being a murder is different than being a bigot.

    I would bet the vast majority of bigots, have never killed anyone.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But a whole lot of them would vote for somebody who has.

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  • [+] -11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Perhaps. But that still wouldn't make them killers.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If someone hands a loaded gun to someone who they believe intends to commit murder, do you believe that they are not a part of the murder committed?

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Who is part of what murder? Neither of the people in your scenario has killed anyone yet.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    OK, you need to be walked through it every step of the way, then.

    1. Akhil gives a gun to Omar.

    2. Akhil knows Omar hates, to pick a threatened minority at random, gay people, and wants to kill them.

    3. Omar shoots up, let's say, a gay nightclub. In, to pick a city totally at random, Orlando, Florida. And just for funsies, let's call it The Pulse. I'm sure this totally imaginary scenario bears no resemblance to any actual event, and no gay nightclub called The Pulse in Orlando, Florida has ever been shot up by a virulent homophobe named Omar Mateen. Pure imagination.

    4. The judicial system would view Akhil as an accessory to murder in that instance.

    Let me further introduce you to the concept of stochastic terrorism. Boy, aren't you learning a lot tonight! I'm happy for you.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Yes I agree with all of that. Person A would be an accessory to murder.

    Being an accessory to murder is a different thing than being a murderer. That's why they have different labels. I think you view them as the same? Or are suggesting they are?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    In the example in question maybe, maybe not. If Omar wasn't handed the gun from person A, he could have gotten the gun in some other way.

    However, in an election, no one gets elected without votes, so yes I do consider everyone who votes for a bigot to be responsible for what that bigot did.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    See I would hold the bigot responsible. Its doesn't seem right or practical to put millions of people on trial for one person's act.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I would bet with many the only reason none of them have killed someone is because they would get in trouble with the law, not because they are morally against it.

    You can see it in the stories from during the colonial era back when black people weren't considered humans.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    That could be possible.

    Though going to a time and place where the target group were so "othered" (is that a word) as to not even be human, that removes more mental barriers than simply the law.

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