▲ 295 ▼ US mother sentenced to two years in prison for giving daughter abortion pills (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by stopthatgirl7@kbin.social to c/news@lemmy.world 46 comments fedilink hide all child comments Jessica Burgess pleaded guilty in July to providing an abortion after 20 weeks and tampering with human remains
[+] RazorsLedge@lemmy.world -37 points 2 years ago (3 children) That's quite an extreme position. Saying "my body, my choice to kill this thing that will be born tomorrow" is very weird. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) Give me your kidney. I need it to live so you have to. No? I can't force you to use your body to keep mine alive? Then why do the same to women? Because we want to imagine some "responsibility" for "their actions". And as soon as rape and coercion never happen we can have that conversation. Until then, let's leave it to the ladies to decide what they do with their organs. You say "would be alive tomorrow", but that's false. They do not, ever, abort something that is completely viable outside the womb. The process for aborting that late is basically induction, and when you do that, now you have a living baby that you can't murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RazorsLedge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Read what the person who I replied to said. They said as long as the baby is in the womb, it's ok to kill it. Hence, they believe it's ok to kill a baby that would be born the next day. Unless I'm misunderstanding something. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 years ago It's the only morally justified position. There's no arbitrary point in time when a person should lose control of their body and be forced to undergo a potentially life-risking event. It's their body and you have no business telling them what they can do with it. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Zebov@feddit.ch -32 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately, you're on an ultra left site, so everything gets filtered through that lens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ultra left? Woo boy do you need to talk to more people. This place is center left at best. Plenty of capitalists wandering around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zebov@feddit.ch -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) I consider communism = good, corporations = bad, & pro-censorship to be pretty far left. If that isn't, I'd love to know what is considered left here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* Who is pro-censorship? I haven't seen that at all on here. In fact, the moderation tools are so bad a lot of hate gets left up until it gets reported a ton. Always with the pathetic victim complex. permalink fedilink source parent [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yep. And that's like 30% of what I see on Lemmy. So to call it a far left site seems odd. But I guess YMMV depending on what instance you're on. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) Give me your kidney. I need it to live so you have to. No? I can't force you to use your body to keep mine alive? Then why do the same to women? Because we want to imagine some "responsibility" for "their actions". And as soon as rape and coercion never happen we can have that conversation. Until then, let's leave it to the ladies to decide what they do with their organs. You say "would be alive tomorrow", but that's false. They do not, ever, abort something that is completely viable outside the womb. The process for aborting that late is basically induction, and when you do that, now you have a living baby that you can't murder. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RazorsLedge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Read what the person who I replied to said. They said as long as the baby is in the womb, it's ok to kill it. Hence, they believe it's ok to kill a baby that would be born the next day. Unless I'm misunderstanding something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RazorsLedge@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Read what the person who I replied to said. They said as long as the baby is in the womb, it's ok to kill it. Hence, they believe it's ok to kill a baby that would be born the next day. Unless I'm misunderstanding something. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 27 points 2 years ago It's the only morally justified position. There's no arbitrary point in time when a person should lose control of their body and be forced to undergo a potentially life-risking event. It's their body and you have no business telling them what they can do with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Zebov@feddit.ch -32 points 2 years ago (1 child) Unfortunately, you're on an ultra left site, so everything gets filtered through that lens. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ultra left? Woo boy do you need to talk to more people. This place is center left at best. Plenty of capitalists wandering around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zebov@feddit.ch -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) I consider communism = good, corporations = bad, & pro-censorship to be pretty far left. If that isn't, I'd love to know what is considered left here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* Who is pro-censorship? I haven't seen that at all on here. In fact, the moderation tools are so bad a lot of hate gets left up until it gets reported a ton. Always with the pathetic victim complex. permalink fedilink source parent [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yep. And that's like 30% of what I see on Lemmy. So to call it a far left site seems odd. But I guess YMMV depending on what instance you're on. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ultra left? Woo boy do you need to talk to more people. This place is center left at best. Plenty of capitalists wandering around. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Zebov@feddit.ch -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) I consider communism = good, corporations = bad, & pro-censorship to be pretty far left. If that isn't, I'd love to know what is considered left here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* Who is pro-censorship? I haven't seen that at all on here. In fact, the moderation tools are so bad a lot of hate gets left up until it gets reported a ton. Always with the pathetic victim complex. permalink fedilink source parent [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yep. And that's like 30% of what I see on Lemmy. So to call it a far left site seems odd. But I guess YMMV depending on what instance you're on. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Zebov@feddit.ch -9 points 2 years ago (2 children) I consider communism = good, corporations = bad, & pro-censorship to be pretty far left. If that isn't, I'd love to know what is considered left here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* Who is pro-censorship? I haven't seen that at all on here. In fact, the moderation tools are so bad a lot of hate gets left up until it gets reported a ton. Always with the pathetic victim complex. permalink fedilink source parent [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yep. And that's like 30% of what I see on Lemmy. So to call it a far left site seems odd. But I guess YMMV depending on what instance you're on. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mrnotoriousman@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* Who is pro-censorship? I haven't seen that at all on here. In fact, the moderation tools are so bad a lot of hate gets left up until it gets reported a ton. Always with the pathetic victim complex. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Yep. And that's like 30% of what I see on Lemmy. So to call it a far left site seems odd. But I guess YMMV depending on what instance you're on. permalink fedilink source parent