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Lemmy is not one big application like reddit. Instead everyone can download Lemmy and host their own >instance<. Each instance can have their own users, their own communities/subs and admins.
Since Lemmy is part of the >fediverse<, it means that each Lemmy instance can interact with each other, and can even interact with other applications of the fediverse (like mastodon, which is more similar to twitter).
Because everyone can make their own Lemmy instance, it is also possible for bad faith actors to make one. They could create many accounts on their own instance, and try to mess with the other Lemmy instances by either posting a lot of comments, reporting a lot of content, or a number of other things. To prevent that from being an actual issue, each instance has the option to >defederate< other instances. (I am not 100% sure on the following so please correct me if I'm wrong) Defederating means that users of instance A cannot interact with the content or users of instance B, if instance A defederated instance B.
Since the performance of website is dependent on the instance you use, you can try to find another instance with less users and a more stable server. As long as it is not defederated by many other servers it will be effectively be the same experience as being on another instance.
Could I think of the federation as like nations giving each others' citizens a visa, or is that too off the mark to use as a metaphor?
I think it kinda works, but it misses the mark in that you don't need to 'travel' to another server to see the communities and posts from that server.
It's more like every instance is a post office, and when you make a post or comment at your local post office, they also send it out to a bunch of other post offices. So when you rock up to your local post office (instance), you can see all the activity at that post office, but also all the activity that has come in from federated post offices.
I think it's too far off. It's more like countries joining European Union - they are still individual countries, but they share stuff with all other countries that are part of the union/federation.
I think the original analogy works better.
If an EU country goes rogue, other EU nations can't just isolate it and bar it's citizens from entry. There is no expulsion from the EU AFAIK. But Lemmy instances can block another instance fairly easily and unilaterally - like how nations can refuse visa to citizens of a rogue nation. And Lemmy instanced are expected to federate with most other instances, just like countries are expected to grant visas to most other countries - unlike joining the EU, which is a whole big process and all EU members have to agree (there are no vetoes in Lemmy federation).
But most importantly, the EU members are required to act as one in many circumstances - most laws apply across all EU members, EU negotiates trade deals as a block, etc. That is not true for Lemmy instances. Each is completely independent and makes its own laws - and must only comply with some very loose principles (which boil down to "don't be a total jerk") to not be isolated from other instances. This is much closer to the kind of independence countries have, than EU members.
They need to find a way to make this easier to understand. I almost didn’t sign up because it was so confusing. I use to go on reddit for one subreddit and they are not even considering lemmy to host a second community. There’s a different alternative they think has potential. Its a pretty big sub too.
I only managed to sign up because Memmy held my hand through the process. NEVER underestimate a good sign up flow.
If you’re out there browsing this, unaware of how to sign up - get Memmy. It’s somewhat explained in that sign up flow, and at least you’ll get in here where you can get direct feedback from users.
Is that an app? An instance? Something else?
App for the instances. Like wefwef. I think. I’m still learning this.
Naa I kinda like that it requires some knowledge to get in.
Yeah, Lemmy isn't perfect, but I think it's much better than reddit already. It's a bit weird and you need to get used to the way it works, but isn't that true for reddit as well? You just already happen to have experience with reddit. I'm sure there are other alternatives that are more similar to reddit in it's monolithic approach.
I think it's not helped by the fact that most early adopters are "techies" who enjoy talking about the underlying tech.
The average user doesn't really need to understand this whole fediverse thing to sign up and use Lemmy. We could just have a website with a big sign up button that randomly (to load balance) selects an instance from a whitelist and signs the user up there to get them started. But instead we have GitHub docs with detailed comparisons of various instances, and long discussions about underlying protocols and what the federation means and how that's different from centralized platforms.
Yeah, I agree with you completely. I ended up with wold because I googled something on lemmy, saw the url had world in it, and just used that. The front sign up page was just confusing to me.
Check sub.rehab maybe they went somewhere else?
I only managed to sign up because Memmy held my hand through the process. NEVER underestimate a good sign up flow.
If you’re out there browsing this, unaware of how to sign up - get Memmy. It’s somewhat explained in that sign up flow, and at least you’ll get in here where you can get direct feedback from users.