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As a SNES F-Zero veteran: F-Zero 99 is addictive! (feddit.de)
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Ok, so I've won the Knight League, I've won the Mini-Prix against S-tier opponents, I have won on every track, except Mute City I.

I simply can't win any race at Mute City I. I tried everything, changed strategy, I tried Team Battle, I tried to race Mute City while everyone else is in a Grand Prix.

I simply can't win Mute City.

And I'm looking forward to King League. The carnage at Death Wind II will be legendary.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And I’m sitting here and can’t win anything and I really don’t know why. I played the hell out of F-Zero on the SNES (and also on the Switch).

But I’m always 20-40… in the 99 battles no matter how hard I try and usually manage to get to the end in Grand Prix and Mini-Prix.

Maybe I’m missing something? Do you have some tips and strategies?

I find myself usually in the Top 10 in the beginning, but then I somehow tumble down in the masses of people until I’m stuck around 40…

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you manage to beat the original game on master difficulty? If you beat King League on master difficulty in the Golden Fox, then you should be able to stand your ground against A-tier (or even A+).

The most problems I've seen by other racers:

  • not timing their start correctly; push throttle shortly before GO!
  • they don't press down when jumping
  • they are bad at cornering tight corners or U-turns; you should take them like in reality: From the outside to the apex. Also get off throttle and press L/R
  • avoiding bumpers: You should have grown an intuition how the bumpers behave. I see people often trying to avoid them in curves unnecessarily when they will actually go out of the way
  • power management: I had to learn that I have to use boost at different places than in OG F-Zero. I also need to avoid using boost when making an error (in the original you were ranked out at 4th position, so you had to get speed immediately after an error)

Where do you have the most problems? What are your best tracks? What is your rating?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First, thanks for you long answer!

Is Master the difficulty you have to unlock? I can’t remember, so probably not. I have it unlocked though…

I have no problems at all with the things you mentioned:

  • I always get the good boost
  • I press down while jumping
  • cornering: let go of trottle (if needed) and use L/R
  • the power management I have not completely mastered tbh

As silly as it sounds, the problem are the other cars (as always haha), but for real: once I’m in the pack I’m loosing speed and get pushed all over the place… even with the spin attack. And then I’m stuck there and usually end up around 30.

My rating is B+ now, I usually beat 3/4 opponents. And I think I’m around level 15.

Of course there are still a few driver errors, but I struggle most with getting out of the pack, if you now what I mean.

I guess I just have to git gud, like always.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is Master the difficulty you have to unlock? I can’t remember, so probably not. I have it unlocked though…

Yep, expert difficulty in the original game is not enough; the AI is capped at 432 km/h at expert. The new game is like playing at master difficulty.

My rating is B+ now, I usually beat 3/4 opponents. And I think I’m around level 15.

That's okay then, it took me quite some while for my first win, I think it was B+ or A-. So don't worry.

Regarding power management: Did you finish Port Town II in practice mode under the time limit for the achievement? You need to use boosts where you normally wouldn't (well aside directly from the start).

And regarding the pack: I drive as if they weren't there (while using spin attack), meaning I drive my optimal racing line and I often can clear the pack in difficulty corners fast. Well except Mute City.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yep, expert difficulty in the original game is not enough; the Al is capped at 432 km/h at expert. The new game is like playing at master difficulty.

Ah this explains a lot, thanks! I already played a bit of the OG F-Zero… and now I even wish more for a new one.

That's okay then, it took me quite some while for my first win, I think it was B+ or A-. So don't worry.

Good to know, I thought I was missing something :)

Regarding power management: Did you finish Port Town I in practice mode under the time limit for the achievement? You need to use boosts where you normally wouldn't (well aside directly from the start).

I wasn’t aware… I will try this later!

And regarding the pack: I drive as if they weren't there (while using spin attack), meaning I drive my optimal racing line and I often can clear the pack in difficulty corners fast. Well except Mute City.

Haha, this is easier said than done, but I think my racing line is (obviously) not as great as I thought.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Curious what car you use.

I was using the fire stingray but switched to the wild goose (haven’t been having too much luck with either though).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm driving the Blue Falcon. I preferred it over the Fire Stingray in the original game because I thought the Stingray was boring (drive below 478 km/h and you can take every corner at full throttle).

But they changed the handling for the Falcon slightly. At first I tried using the D-Pad but something was off; so I now always use the stick, but I thought that still something was wrong. So I made a comparison of the Silence track, and yeah, that weird 180 degree turn was much much easier in the original game. The stick can't change direction fast enough, so I now need to brake (yes, brake with the Y-button!) on Silence.

Regarding your choice (Wild Goose), it seems that S-tier drivers prefer the Wild Goose and the Golden Fox, so that's probably the meta. I guess that could also be the reason why I think that they aren't driving the optimal line. Also the Stingray was nerfed hard, there should be a 40 km/h difference between the Golden Fox and the Stingray, but I'm not seeing it. The Blue Falcon is faster than the Golden Fox on Death Wind, I will close in when behind a Golden Fox.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Awesome thanks for the detailed reply! Yeah when looking at the leaderboard I did see a lot of gooses which I why I chose it. FWIW I have been doing better with the goose than the stingray, but haven’t gotten top 10 yet.

Was going to ask if you used d-pad or stick so thanks for touching on that! I was using d-pad on the joy-cons which seemed nice but the d-pad on the pro controller seems shitty. I have the SNES switch controller so maybe I’ll try that today.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Awesome thanks for the detailed reply! Yeah when looking at the leaderboard I did see a lot of gooses which I why I chose it. FWIW I have been doing better with the goose than the stingray, but haven’t gotten top 10 yet.

Something fishy is going on: I tried the Stingray. No preparation, no practice, just straight into a Mute City race. I won with a lead of 2 second on the first try. I have not driven the Stingray since 30 years. I drove exactly like in practice mode on the SNES.

I don't understand this. I constantly see people struggling to keep up with the Golden Fox in the Stingray. The Stingray should just woosh by the Golden Fox without boost. So I guess they balanced the cars in a different way, I guess it has to do with boost and power management.

Was going to ask if you used d-pad or stick so thanks for touching on that! I was using d-pad on the joy-cons which seemed nice but the d-pad on the pro controller seems shitty. I have the SNES switch controller so maybe I’ll try that today.

I'm also using the pro controller. It would definitely be interesting how the SNES controller behaves. When playing old F-Zero with the pro controller's stick, the handling is exactly like it should be.