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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does Lemmygrad have an official statement on third worldists? Are they considered more as Ultras or Reactionaries?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don't know of an official statement. My personal opinion: I don't see how they would be reactionaries. And I think the ultra tendencies are fairly clear to see.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Have had recent interactions with some and they tend to be pretty backward in their views on queer people, buying into the idea of it being part of some western agenda to "subvert" culture in the global south.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

Yea they are led astray into these reactionary views, as someone from the global south i kinda get why these people tend to be "class reductionists", our material conditions are much much worse than in the imperial core.

it is infuriating when international companies that have exploited our countries for decades hijack the queer movement and move the conversation away from class to identity politics, this of course does not justify hatred against anyone but i think it is one of the reasons why people are led to this. Its very similar to how conservatives in america do it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Two choices: >colonizers who pretend to not hate queers >anti colonizers who hate queers, They're misguided

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

That's not what i typically think of when i think of third worldists, but yeah those are reactionary views. However i'm not sure that is sufficient to qualify an individual as a reactionary, let alone a whole ideological group. If that were the case then a lot of Marxist-Leninists would be reactionary too. People with progressive ideologies can hold reactionary views on some issues. People are complicated and such contradictions are very common.

The point i'm trying to make is that views such as the ones you described may be held by some individual third worldists, but these views are not integral or essential or a logical conclusion of the third worldist ideological outlook. Their ideological framework has ultra characteristics but not reactionary ones. At least as far as i can tell.