▲ 586 ▼ Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assaults and abuse (www.thetimes.co.uk) submitted 3 years ago by ZeroCool@feddit.ch to c/news@lemmy.world 162 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] 30mag@lemmy.world 155 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rosymind@leminal.space 55 points 3 years ago (4 children) She was 16, so yeah, he's right: he was banging a child. Even if he isn't convicted of the others (one was treated at a clinic after the assault) dating a 16 year old when you're 30 is gonna get you some time. Assuming this is all true (I do believe them, but it's up to judge/jury to decide) but he somehow manages to get out of this, his reputation is in the toilet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 75 points 3 years ago (2 children) It's creepy and abusive as fuck so I don't say this out of any great desire to defend him, but that girl is of legal age in the UK, so by our standards he isn't a nonce, legally speaking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kbotc@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) Ya’ll motherfuckers need Romeo and Juliet laws. Age of consent at 14-16 isn’t a horrid idea, but slap a “within 5 years of the age of the oldest companion” and you fix Richard Brand grooming a fucking child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 years ago We do, for below 16 permalink fedilink source parent [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago He's not technically a child rapist and he can go someplace that's not technically under the jail permalink fedilink source parent [–] AreaSIX@lemm.ee 48 points 3 years ago (1 child) 16 is above the age of consent in the UK as far as I know, so the issue wouldn't be the dating of a sixteen year old, it'd be the apparent rampant rapes and assaults regardless of age. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arefx@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Not to dog on the UK but maybe they should raise that a little, it's incredibly easy for an adult to take advantage of a 16 year old, not even just sexually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nath@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think it's actually the USA who has an unusually high age of consent. Most of us have an age of consent of 16 and a drinking age of 18. I don't exactly think we should raise it, but I sure wouldn't be against a Romeo and Juliet style amendment. I remember dating an 18 year old when I was 21, and that felt like a big gap. I can't begin to imagine 16 to 30+. Though that wouldn't be illegal here either^*. * We have exceptions if the older person is in a position of trust like a teacher, coach etc. Then it's illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] meltylikecheese@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 25 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Age of consent is 16 here in the UK bro He's still a cunt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rosymind@leminal.space 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, I'm American and we tend to think the world and laws revolve around us. My bad! (Still 16 and 30 tho...) permalink fedilink source parent [+] WaxedWookie@lemmynsfw.com -13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah - if your defence is "well it's not illegal, soooooo..." it's a pretty safe bet you're being a piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 24 points 3 years ago* (2 children) There's no defence here, just correcting someone who seems to be defaulting to the USA law I literally said brand is a cunt in my comment, what more do you want me to say? That he's a total cunt? He's still a rapist regardless if this is all true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were referring to his defence of himself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 5 points 3 years ago Oh In that case sorry dude permalink fedilink source parent [–] WaxedWookie@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 years ago Yeah - not disagreeing, my dude - just pointing out that even the defence he's fronted is dogshit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago The thing is, if this happens 4 times, most likely there are more who might speak up. The thing with these victims, in many cases, they think they are the only one. Knowing there might be others, would increase the chances of them to go public with their experience which might be even worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rosymind@leminal.space 55 points 3 years ago (4 children) She was 16, so yeah, he's right: he was banging a child. Even if he isn't convicted of the others (one was treated at a clinic after the assault) dating a 16 year old when you're 30 is gonna get you some time. Assuming this is all true (I do believe them, but it's up to judge/jury to decide) but he somehow manages to get out of this, his reputation is in the toilet permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 75 points 3 years ago (2 children) It's creepy and abusive as fuck so I don't say this out of any great desire to defend him, but that girl is of legal age in the UK, so by our standards he isn't a nonce, legally speaking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kbotc@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) Ya’ll motherfuckers need Romeo and Juliet laws. Age of consent at 14-16 isn’t a horrid idea, but slap a “within 5 years of the age of the oldest companion” and you fix Richard Brand grooming a fucking child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 years ago We do, for below 16 permalink fedilink source parent [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago He's not technically a child rapist and he can go someplace that's not technically under the jail permalink fedilink source parent [–] AreaSIX@lemm.ee 48 points 3 years ago (1 child) 16 is above the age of consent in the UK as far as I know, so the issue wouldn't be the dating of a sixteen year old, it'd be the apparent rampant rapes and assaults regardless of age. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arefx@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Not to dog on the UK but maybe they should raise that a little, it's incredibly easy for an adult to take advantage of a 16 year old, not even just sexually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nath@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think it's actually the USA who has an unusually high age of consent. Most of us have an age of consent of 16 and a drinking age of 18. I don't exactly think we should raise it, but I sure wouldn't be against a Romeo and Juliet style amendment. I remember dating an 18 year old when I was 21, and that felt like a big gap. I can't begin to imagine 16 to 30+. Though that wouldn't be illegal here either^*. * We have exceptions if the older person is in a position of trust like a teacher, coach etc. Then it's illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] meltylikecheese@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 25 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Age of consent is 16 here in the UK bro He's still a cunt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rosymind@leminal.space 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, I'm American and we tend to think the world and laws revolve around us. My bad! (Still 16 and 30 tho...) permalink fedilink source parent [+] WaxedWookie@lemmynsfw.com -13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah - if your defence is "well it's not illegal, soooooo..." it's a pretty safe bet you're being a piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 24 points 3 years ago* (2 children) There's no defence here, just correcting someone who seems to be defaulting to the USA law I literally said brand is a cunt in my comment, what more do you want me to say? That he's a total cunt? He's still a rapist regardless if this is all true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were referring to his defence of himself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 5 points 3 years ago Oh In that case sorry dude permalink fedilink source parent [–] WaxedWookie@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 years ago Yeah - not disagreeing, my dude - just pointing out that even the defence he's fronted is dogshit. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago The thing is, if this happens 4 times, most likely there are more who might speak up. The thing with these victims, in many cases, they think they are the only one. Knowing there might be others, would increase the chances of them to go public with their experience which might be even worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NuPNuA@lemm.ee 75 points 3 years ago (2 children) It's creepy and abusive as fuck so I don't say this out of any great desire to defend him, but that girl is of legal age in the UK, so by our standards he isn't a nonce, legally speaking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] kbotc@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) Ya’ll motherfuckers need Romeo and Juliet laws. Age of consent at 14-16 isn’t a horrid idea, but slap a “within 5 years of the age of the oldest companion” and you fix Richard Brand grooming a fucking child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 years ago We do, for below 16 permalink fedilink source parent [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago He's not technically a child rapist and he can go someplace that's not technically under the jail permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kbotc@lemmy.world 18 points 3 years ago (2 children) Ya’ll motherfuckers need Romeo and Juliet laws. Age of consent at 14-16 isn’t a horrid idea, but slap a “within 5 years of the age of the oldest companion” and you fix Richard Brand grooming a fucking child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 years ago We do, for below 16 permalink fedilink source parent [+] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] geophysicist@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 years ago We do, for below 16 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 5 points 3 years ago He's not technically a child rapist and he can go someplace that's not technically under the jail permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AreaSIX@lemm.ee 48 points 3 years ago (1 child) 16 is above the age of consent in the UK as far as I know, so the issue wouldn't be the dating of a sixteen year old, it'd be the apparent rampant rapes and assaults regardless of age. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] arefx@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Not to dog on the UK but maybe they should raise that a little, it's incredibly easy for an adult to take advantage of a 16 year old, not even just sexually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nath@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think it's actually the USA who has an unusually high age of consent. Most of us have an age of consent of 16 and a drinking age of 18. I don't exactly think we should raise it, but I sure wouldn't be against a Romeo and Juliet style amendment. I remember dating an 18 year old when I was 21, and that felt like a big gap. I can't begin to imagine 16 to 30+. Though that wouldn't be illegal here either^*. * We have exceptions if the older person is in a position of trust like a teacher, coach etc. Then it's illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] meltylikecheese@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arefx@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Not to dog on the UK but maybe they should raise that a little, it's incredibly easy for an adult to take advantage of a 16 year old, not even just sexually. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nath@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think it's actually the USA who has an unusually high age of consent. Most of us have an age of consent of 16 and a drinking age of 18. I don't exactly think we should raise it, but I sure wouldn't be against a Romeo and Juliet style amendment. I remember dating an 18 year old when I was 21, and that felt like a big gap. I can't begin to imagine 16 to 30+. Though that wouldn't be illegal here either^*. * We have exceptions if the older person is in a position of trust like a teacher, coach etc. Then it's illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] meltylikecheese@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nath@aussie.zone 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think it's actually the USA who has an unusually high age of consent. Most of us have an age of consent of 16 and a drinking age of 18. I don't exactly think we should raise it, but I sure wouldn't be against a Romeo and Juliet style amendment. I remember dating an 18 year old when I was 21, and that felt like a big gap. I can't begin to imagine 16 to 30+. Though that wouldn't be illegal here either^*. * We have exceptions if the older person is in a position of trust like a teacher, coach etc. Then it's illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] meltylikecheese@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 25 points 3 years ago* (2 children) Age of consent is 16 here in the UK bro He's still a cunt permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] rosymind@leminal.space 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, I'm American and we tend to think the world and laws revolve around us. My bad! (Still 16 and 30 tho...) permalink fedilink source parent [+] WaxedWookie@lemmynsfw.com -13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah - if your defence is "well it's not illegal, soooooo..." it's a pretty safe bet you're being a piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 24 points 3 years ago* (2 children) There's no defence here, just correcting someone who seems to be defaulting to the USA law I literally said brand is a cunt in my comment, what more do you want me to say? That he's a total cunt? He's still a rapist regardless if this is all true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were referring to his defence of himself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 5 points 3 years ago Oh In that case sorry dude permalink fedilink source parent [–] WaxedWookie@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 years ago Yeah - not disagreeing, my dude - just pointing out that even the defence he's fronted is dogshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rosymind@leminal.space 1 point 3 years ago Yeah, I'm American and we tend to think the world and laws revolve around us. My bad! (Still 16 and 30 tho...) permalink fedilink source parent
[+] WaxedWookie@lemmynsfw.com -13 points 3 years ago (1 child) Yeah - if your defence is "well it's not illegal, soooooo..." it's a pretty safe bet you're being a piece of shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 24 points 3 years ago* (2 children) There's no defence here, just correcting someone who seems to be defaulting to the USA law I literally said brand is a cunt in my comment, what more do you want me to say? That he's a total cunt? He's still a rapist regardless if this is all true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were referring to his defence of himself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 5 points 3 years ago Oh In that case sorry dude permalink fedilink source parent [–] WaxedWookie@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 years ago Yeah - not disagreeing, my dude - just pointing out that even the defence he's fronted is dogshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 24 points 3 years ago* (2 children) There's no defence here, just correcting someone who seems to be defaulting to the USA law I literally said brand is a cunt in my comment, what more do you want me to say? That he's a total cunt? He's still a rapist regardless if this is all true. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were referring to his defence of himself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 5 points 3 years ago Oh In that case sorry dude permalink fedilink source parent [–] WaxedWookie@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 years ago Yeah - not disagreeing, my dude - just pointing out that even the defence he's fronted is dogshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Raxiel@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I think they were referring to his defence of himself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 5 points 3 years ago Oh In that case sorry dude permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jabbawacky@feddit.uk 5 points 3 years ago Oh In that case sorry dude permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WaxedWookie@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 years ago Yeah - not disagreeing, my dude - just pointing out that even the defence he's fronted is dogshit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 16 points 3 years ago The thing is, if this happens 4 times, most likely there are more who might speak up. The thing with these victims, in many cases, they think they are the only one. Knowing there might be others, would increase the chances of them to go public with their experience which might be even worse. permalink fedilink source parent